Why does the Ravager?

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Why does the Ravager has no Tag and has a Spell that doesn’t const anything and can be massed?
sOs played a fantastic game 1 vs Serral, so good that they were the same supply workers/Army the whole time.
While sOs had to harass in cost effective way i.e 4 adept drop and pick up with WP. For the Zerg was enough to rally banelings to his 3rd, and just a move, without caring whether those banelings were a beneficial Sacrifice or not.
Zerg is simply to good at every stage of the game. Can see, can react can harass and defend with Hatchery tech until lategame.

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Good point, ravagers are very strong units. Kills tank in 3 shots, bile has very short cooldown. Break force field… They don’t have any tag, doesn’t require any tech… Ravager ultra, is also pretty cancer to play against…

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Why do hellions get incredible speed to out pace anything on the same level and aoe annihilate everything with light and melee attacks, ie workers, zealots, zerglings. Well apparently that’s balance for you, same as ravagers.

Also it’s a little trollish (not saying you are) to say it’s free or no cost spell. Some units do have increasing returns if they do not die and use their abilities that cost energy or time, but only if they don’t die and use the ability effectively over time.

Every attack or spell in the game has a cost benefit based upon how well it is used over time. How many times do you you expect 2 zerglings to attack for 50 minerals? 10 times? Five? Zero (ex hit by a friggin’ siege tank)? Nobody questions the cost of a siege tank or how much it gets to attack at ludicrous range. I mean, I do, but I’m nobody.

How much HP do you expect a medivac to heal to be worth the cost?
How much damage should an oracle do per cost before it is blown up?

Now if the average oracle was dealing 100,000 damage per game, there might be a problem that needs to be nerfed. Same goes with ravagers.

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Cause it cost 100/100, but they are weaker than a roach, so they should have something to compensate their really high cost.

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  1. They lose their armor
  2. They cost as much as a mutalisk
  3. They’re supply heavy
  4. Zerg does care if rallied banelings do or don’t do damage, banes are expensive
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i can agree to that actually i think ravanger’s should be able to hit air as upgraded very expensive roach maybe with a lair-tech upgrade so it doesn’t effect early to much and then zerg had another GtA other than Hydra and Queens that benefit from the new Infestor abillity

while i think Zerg is to strong right now it still seems to fit the unit and cost

Zerg is to strong because Protoss got to much nerfed for PvT sake

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Ah, so protoss is weak. Explains why they have 6 players in RO12 compared to 4 and 2 for Zerg and Terran respectively

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Because then it would be an expensive roach

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So basically the things turn round and round and round and round. When zerg is clearly favored the terrans and protoss say: look at that zergs are winning every tourny and got most players in upper bracket. Then Zerg players come along and say, no no that doesnt mean anything. Zerg players are just better. Maybe its because of (draw) luck. It just happens to be like that.

But when a certain other race is leading in a tourny then zergs are very eager to point out the “imbalance”.

Not to mention aligulac. When aligulac shows tvz at 55% zerg will burn whole cities down because its unbearable to play the game anymore and then aligulac is super valid. But pvz has been at 45% for 6 years now and the matchup is called balanced and aligulac not so important.

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  1. Aligulac is not a great judge of balance
  2. I didn’t say Protoss was imba, I said they weren’t weak, because they’re clearly and evidently not.
  3. I’m Random.
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“I didn’t say Protoss was imba, I said they weren’t weak, because they’re clearly and evidently not.”

Then link some source. Or show how it should be evident. But yeah no matter which argument you will use for that, then you have to admit that zerg was very very strong past 2 years.

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I gave you my evidence, the only tournament in 2020; and fine Zerg was strong for 2 years 1 year and now it’s balanced. You got anything else?

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“Ah, so protoss is weak. Explains why they have 6 players in RO12 compared to 4 and 2 for Zerg and Terran respectively”

This is your so called source? This is not an evidence 0.o There were even some tournaments with a very high protoss representation in 2019 where zerg was clearly favored.

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It is evidence. It’s literally the only evidence we have for this patch which is the only thing that matters. Old balance is old, it’s non-relevant. All that is under discussion is current balance.

Now, do you have any evidence to suggest Protoss is currently weak on this patch and not past patches?

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Translation: Aligulac isn’t a great source of balance when it doesn’t suit me!

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You know what anecdotal evidence is? drawing conclusions out of 1 tournament (the very first tournament) and that even based on the representation which are actually within the expected range when we look at tournaments in the past, is just madness. In the past we had always a high number of zerg and protoss and terran least represented (by far).
Its not evidence for a balance discussion. WTF.

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So you tacitly admit you have no evidence to suggest that Protoss is weak. Thank you. GGNORE

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No, because I’ve never said Aligulac was a good source of balance and I play all 3 races so it could never “suit me.”

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I didnt say anything at all actually. I just said that your argument is just not logical. Protoss CAN be weak even tho they have a currently higher representation. Like it was in 2019 for a couple of times.

And yes protoss COULD be weak in pvz. According to aligulac or pros actually saying that they really dont like playing pvz but prefer pvt (yeeeah why should they prefer pvt…? yes pvt is p favored)

And a GGNORE for you too, because we love to use it when we ultimatly won the argument…at least in our heads.

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meanwhile in recent months TvZ has been terran favored, and in Katowice its very Terran favored. but yeah. blame zerg for being the OP race when winrates say otherwise.

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