I thought Zerg was supposed to have a better economy, but worse units. The larva nerf + chrono buff means that Zerg struggles to even keep up with Protoss probe production.
The effects of the Drones that come out around 3:30 are really only felt around 4:30 when Zerg comes close to catching up in resources gathered to Protoss, which also coincides with some earliest timing attacks of Protoss that hit around 4:15.
So, not only does Protoss have better units, they also have a better economy, which means those early timing attacks that Protoss throw at Zerg slightly after four minutes are nearly impossible to hold, and youâre basically guaranteed to lose the third base which means as a Zerg, youâre doomed economically.
I donât know what happened to this game, but it seems like everywhere I look Zerg is getting screwed. I really wish I had picked a different race ten years ago. Iâm sure Zerg will get nerfed a hundred more times though because thatâs just how this game is.
How is this even fair? I just donât understand this game anymore. I picked the wrong race.
Z has a better eco from minute 6-7 when they can make drones from three hatcheries. It is an advantage, but starts later and not right from the start.
On the other hand, you should play the race you like because you enjoy its mechanics and aesthetics, not because a race can make a bunch of workers in the first minutes of the game.
Iâve been thinking about this recently, too, and wondering why queens are better than all of my units and why the viper is 1000x better than anything I can make and just flys around with free reign, dunking on everything.
Races really have no identity anymore. Just a bunch of randomness.
If the tempest is a 5 supply unit then the viper should be a 35 supply unit. 3 supply? Lol. FunnyâŚ
Go to the unit tester and tell me what unit beats queens in mass army vs mass. There isnât a unit composition that doesnât involve disruptors that can beat pure queens if you transfuse at all. Not only do queens win, they dominate everything lol. I donât know what keyboard youâre using, but might not be the plugged in variety.
And in what world does it make sense for the TEMPEST to take up more supply than the viper? If the tempest took up zero supply, it still wouldnât even be broken. Unit is pure garbage. I could say the same thing in regards to the disruptor. If the disruptor is 3 supply then the tempest should be -350 supply.
you mean the game changing comeback unit, the disruptor, showcased to be able to destroy entire armies if used correctly? youâre not selling me on the protoss UP bit.
The unit that is hard countered by vipers? Just like it hardcounters every good or expensive unit? Like itâs not rocket science why all the non Korean âprodigiesâ play the same race.
wtf is that thread in general? complaining about income rate at 3:30
Like others mentioned. You get a second base at 1 minute and third at 2:30. In theory zerg can get a way better eco at 3:30 than protoss but thats really not good in the long run. Also, dont forget that protoss needs to spend money on production building and a nexus costs 400 and t1 units suck big time vs zerg in early game. So its not like protoss can achieve anything with that eco advantage.
having eco advantage until 3:30 definetly means protoss has the better eco in general? Do you even starcraft mate? Every race got different macro/worker mechanics.
What unit can I make that isnât countered by vipers? It is exactly what I say. Not like Iâm talking crazy here. Due to all the stupid keyboard tricks and gimmicks, even if you go high templars, youâre usually just watching your templars get abducted left and right before you can even blink an eye.
The âinteractionâ with vipers is one of the biggest jokes in the game. At least in BW, I could understand why the ultra was really good. Yeah, itâs too freaking good, but I could understand it. I mean, guardians sucked and defilers only beat noobs, offensively. But Zerg in SC 2? Whatâs bad? They totally donât need hero units that are treated like scrub units that you can make as many of them as possible and everyone gets to look like serral cause that would be cool.
Iâm so used to this matchup being so slanted in Zergs favor, that honestly, I never even thought about how to win it in theory, because to even think about it would imply youâre stupid. Like trying to make apple juice out of a lemon. Feel so stupid for even pondering how to not lose as badâŚ
see thatâs why i canât take you seriously, protoss is fine vs zerg at the moment, yet you cry like itâs some impossible feat to even get a win. good lord⌠i bet you have a positive win rate vs zerg donât you
If pro Toss players only opted to play macro/long games like me, then there would be no such thing as pro Toss players. Maybe things have changed since the last patch (I donât watch), but there isnât a pro who would disagree with me about late game P vs Z during the time Iâve played. I mean, people are dumb⌠but no one is that dumb.
False on one premise and half-false on the other. I wonder why Playa wastes so much energy with a bait-post. Trolls are not supposed to be rewarded with much attention.
ĂióĥeĹex is right, ~5-7 min can zerg shine in ecco
but for all the âexpertsâ 3:30 base 3 base.
Zerg needs 3 base so that he needs 5-7 min ecco lead⌠so the early 3 may beâŚ
just look at a game and see what the difference is. Toss and Terra often use 2-3 gas ⌠as an example if terra -> barrack -> 100gas factory +50g for reactor-> stop gas mining -> fast 3 base.
and T/P can also compare the tech at different times.
Weird how reynor took his third at 2:44 vs mana (dh right now), 2:40 second game. after he built many lings and got harassed by starting probeâŚ
-2:30 aka between 1:50 (very greedy skipping gas) and 3:30 like you mentioned is the time slot for third base. The timing got various advantages/weaknesses. Maybe the third base timing shifted more to 3 minutes. That could be. I often time saw something around 2:30.
is more greedy. but toss and Terra also do that sometimes.
i think itâs just a ridiculous argument: zerg builds fast 3 bases. but completely forgot that zerg has only 1 gas. on the other side i see Terra rush Bc T3 and still building his 3 bases.
I have never seen Bl ~5.30 with a safe 3 base.
what? a third base? can you give me examples where a protoss goes for a third at 3 minutes in a pvz? Once again 2:30-2:50 is not greedy for zerg. its standard. reynor built speed, a couple of lings and got harassed by scouting probe which denied expansions and still got third at 2:40.
i rarely see any zerg getting third at 3:30 actually. I mean i guess that can happen in a macro game but not too often.
