Vipers excellent both mid and late games. Especially against terran mech, vikings, or bio tank.
Infestors, great both vs zerg and protoss.
HT excellent both against zerg and terran, both mid and late game.
Raven??
very good only TvT.
Against zerg or Protoss, only early game harass, and not even very good at it.
We need a complete redesign of a Raven:
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Has to be viable mid and late game.
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Has to be viable both against zerg and protoss.
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Should be able to Upgrade your army potential fighting capability, exactly like Vipers and HT.
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Ravens are good for when you have to much gas and you need to spend it all really quickly to get those good macro points on the charts at the end of the game.
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I actually like Raven. When I tend to go bio and I generally bank a lot of gas they actually are good for matrixing.
Also, I wonder how the math goes with the anti-armor bomb they have. Theorically they would make marines a complete killing machines but I don’t know if it is worth using that other than good ol matrix.
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depends on the numbers in play i guess, a ball of 3-3 stimmed rines with medivacs will essentially shred through anything zerg after the -3 armor come into play since it negates all armorupgrades from evochamber so i wouldn’t be suprised they decimate the gross out of zerg forces in taht instance if zerg can’t evade
3 3 stimmed marines, if you can get into that stage of course it s strong.
And at that stage of game Ravens are not that strong compared to vipers or ht.
Fair enough. It also has turret which has the same atkspeed of unstimmed marines and 1 extra range.
I guess the problem with raven is that he is hell fragile and requires micro, like any other spellcaster I suppose.
Also, you can’t a-move him. Raven just stare at the opponent menancingly, it would be funny if it wasn’t such a bad move.
It s not the problem, the issue is, has to have some kind of splash dmg, or something else that makes him viable in late game vs Z and P.
Of course without making Terran op.
So do you think Raven needs a buff? or what?
Maybe I am completely wrong, but just maybe, take out the auto turret, and make a small radius defense spell, that absorbs 30-35 % of dmg from spells like fungall and storm.
Or will make Neurparasite last 40% shorter.
Will be a bit expensive so it would come into game closer to late.
Why 30-35%? Make it deploy beacon that prevents spells being casted in the area. Basically anti caster caster, in simmilar vein as ghost but from another side. It wont drain energy, it will prevent enemy from using it on you.
Having Terran casters be dedicated to only fighting casters would be interesting way to go about this and raven would actually have a role.
I would also sacrifice dorito for this cause that spell is trash anyway. Only good for bio which raven goes badly with.
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Problem with raven spells is P/Z can easily disengage and lose nothing
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u should compare raven to other detectors, overseer and observer. and raven obviously best
Also most expansive, costs supply unlike overseer that gives it and is most expansive detector and spell caster while being worst at both jobs at once.
Not kind of compromise you would want to make. Especially when Z has detection ability on one of the best spell casters in the game: Infestor So not like there is need for compromise in this.
EDIT: And scouting-vise, Overseer is the best anyway… Changelings are most BS ability in the game. There is no way of disposing of them automatically and you need to spend more APM than Zerg doing so.
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We don’t need another complete redesign of the raven. You can’t directly compare casters as they all have different functions.
The ghost is about stealth and disruption. The viper is a battle field manipulator. The HT is basically a damage dealer. The infestor is a general support that can work with most army types against most army types. And the raven is a support spell caster. It can weaken enemy army, it can disrupt mechanical units and it can add extra fire power to fights with the auto turret. It has a role in TvP for taking out like colossus and such. It doesn’t see much use in zvt right now because of the nature of the beast, but i can be useful when up against an ultralisk army.
Heromarine said that the Raven is one the weakest units in the game given the cost in the tvz and tvp matchups. Especially in tvz match up.
So that’s why people don’t really use them, or make just 1.
In the test showing that the anti armor missle can be used against zelots, and it can help a bit, but not very significant.
Anti armor missle against bane/ling combo is almost useless.
TvT Raven is very strong.
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Terran is race of restrictions
Steady Targeting bio only and 1.43 s chaneling and can be interrupt
emp usefull only vs shields and energy
Interference Matrix mechanical and psionic only (shame lurker is none of thees)
Auto-Turret cast range 2 lol
you need a tech lab to build raven …
Ghost/banshee invisibliti cost energy .DTs / burrow do not have time limit.
Anti-Armor Missile one of logest cast animations in the game.
its funy vs Z you need detection most … but raven spells are almost useless vs zerg …
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Raven would be a whole lot better if they removed AAM and Auto turret and replaced it with Defensive matrix and any other new spell.
AAM is a spell that becomes obsolete in the mid and late game as zoning tools hit the field.
Auto turret just feels like a desperation move when you see it nowadays.
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Raven is completely useless vs Zerg. Give the Ghost AAM and give EMP to the Raven. Easiest fix ever. Fixes the lack of EMP in mech builds and gives Raven an actual purpose in all matchups.
Give AAM the ability to weaken buildings and watch Ghosts hit expo’s with a hilarious AAM followed by a nuke combo lol. All spines and spores dead in 1 nuke! Im kidding of course but that would be badazz though.
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It wouldnt be useless vs Zerg if it just cost less. I’d love to get an early Raven to fight creep to not have to waste scans… it’s just the insane cost for such little value.
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Hello mister sock puppet, I wonder who you belong to lol such a mystery