What it is like being a Zerg GM during ProtossCraft II

[JSTLF-1918]

Oh give it a rest, just because you’re unable to face the music that your race is overpowered, I’m the alt account of some troll who I’d never even heard of until I started posting on these forums? Pathetic.

[lllIlIlIlIl-1983]

@Dallarian-21523

As far as I remember MaNa was the only person from the showmatches, that managed to beat Alpha Star

XD XD XD

Many people beat it. It played on the ladder! Mana lost to it many times. More ppp nonsense.

[lllIlIlIlIl-1983]

@TerranicII-1450

I am aware, and do not respect the OP’s opinion. GM is too small of a sample size for that kind of argument anyway

LOL

Op did the math. And showed sample of gm was large enough. Ppp are now math deniers? It does not surprise me…

[lllIlIlIlIl-1983]

@JSTLF-1918

These figures you’ve given aren’t entirely fair; the odds of any distribution is small. Exactly 33% Terran, exactly 33% Zerg, and exactly 33% Protoss is

That is not how the math work small bird. The statistic test measure probability of at least this severe of outcome, not probability of this outcome. Totally different! Probability of at least as severe outcome of your scenario is 51%. So it is not right what you have said. Every scenario is not as rare. Equal split of ladder is 51% chance but real ladder is 0.00001% chance. Biggest difference imaginable!

[TheKraken-11748]

@TerranicII-1450

GM is too small of a sample size for that kind of argument anyway

1. I did the math and proved that GM is large enough. “I don’t understand basic math, therefore the math is wrong” is not a valid argument.

2. This trend exists in Masters and the pro level rankings, so the claim that GM alone is being used is obviously false and a straw man of the argument.

3. There is no rational nor factual basis for your claims.

4. Protoss is definitely overpowered.

[TheKraken-11748]

@JSTLF-1918

These figures you’ve given aren’t entirely fair; the odds of any distribution is small. Exactly 33% Terran, exactly 33% Zerg, and exactly 33% Protoss is (if we assume these distributions are assigned by a die) as likely as 1% Terran, 1% Zerg, and 98% Protoss. What you need to look at is the “ranges” (idk how to word it I’m not a mathematician.

That’s not true. Some events are more likely to occur than others. Flipping coins is a good example. Heads+heads+tails is the same result as Tails+heads+heads but there is only one scenario that produces heads+heads+heads.

A confidence test basically asks “In how many scenarios can I get at least X heads when I flip the coin Y times”. The way the math works out, the more and more the result deviates from the expected 50%, the less likely it is to have occurred.

So when you do a confidence test, you make an assumption. We can assume a coin has a 50% chance of heads for example. Then you calculate what the probability would be for this observation to occur if your assumption is true. If that probability is low (generally below 5%) you reject your assumption as false.

So, what we are doing here is calculating all the possible scenarios that could occur in Grandmaster given fair balance. Then we are calculating how many of those scenarios show 270 or more Protoss Grandmasters. The probability of producing that severe of a result is 1 in 1,000,000.

For most studies, the default assumption is rejected if the probability goes below 5%. This is below 1%. In fact it’s below one ten thousandth of a percent. Protoss is definitely overpowered. The probability that a balanced game could have this many Protoss in GM is so incredibly rare we must reject our assumption that the game is balanced.

[NachoRoyale-1841]

Not directed at anyone in particular, just venting. I quit playing multiplayer back when they phased out WoL. I was planning on making the move to LotV but the problem is the game has been out ten years and Blizzard is still trying to “balance it” because whiny losers can’t accept the fact that they suck. You figure out how to make things work, and then they nerf something. Guess what… they never balanced SC1. If protoss got carriers with an arbiter there was not much you could do to stop that… other than be on the lookout and not let them get carriers and an arbiter. - You know… don’t let protoss take a 3rd, sound familiar??? And that was the answer. Not nerfing x, nerfing y, nerfing z.

There used to be a time, when you understood that one race was weaker than the other, and that if you could win at that race then you were truly badass. Now we just got a bunch of crybabies that demand the game be changed every 90 days, so unless you are 13 yr old living with your parents there is no way to stay competitive because by the time you figure it out… guess what?

Stop changing the game. Or how about 2 leagues… Pick one patch, never change it and run with that, and then make another for the crybabies.

[BabaYaga-13753]

@TheKraken-11748

Protoss is definitely overpowered. The probability that a balanced game could have this many Protoss in GM is so incredibly rare we must reject our assumption that the game is balanced.

Enough BS. Read Asmu’s post in another thread. Try to exit for one time from your bubble.

[BabaYaga-13753]

@NachoRoyale-1841

Not directed at anyone in particular, just venting. I quit playing multiplayer back when they phased out WoL. I was planning on making the move to LotV but the problem is the game has been out ten years and Blizzard is still trying to “balance it” because whiny losers can’t accept the fact that they suck. You figure out how to make things work, and then they nerf something. Guess what… they never balanced SC1. If protoss got carriers with an arbiter there was not much you could do to stop that… other than be on the lookout and not let them get carriers and an arbiter. - You know… don’t let protoss take a 3rd, sound familiar??? And that was the answer. Not nerfing x, nerfing y, nerfing z.

There used to be a time, when you understood that one race was weaker than the other, and that if you could win at that race then you were truly badass. Now we just got a bunch of crybabies that demand the game be changed every 90 days, so unless you are 13 yr old living with your parents there is no way to stay competitive because by the time you figure it out… guess what?

Stop changing the game. Or how about 2 leagues… Pick one patch, never change it and run with that, and then make another for the crybabies.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
This solution (i have asked precisely for this several times) will have the added bonus of strangling the whine-fiesta.
Whine exists because whine pays.
The moment Blizzard will officially stop “fixing” the Game, the whine will stop. What’s the point of whining when there is no one to take notice?

Excellent post NachoRoyale.