It’s insane. Back in the day, you could use broodlord/corruptor and infestor to battle a late game mech army. Now it’s impossible to fight a mech army head on, unless they’re at about 100 supply and you’re maxed out on a healthy economy. We’re at a point where zerg has to pick off units one by one using the viper to have any chance at beating a terran late game army. Attacking into a sieged position is out of question and if the terran decides to attack head on they may get clouded or have their units stolen by infestors. To answer your question, the only way zerg can fight mech is to steal their units, because terran units are far superior to zerg units. Zergs can’t even take inefficient trades to chip at a mech army and use their superior economic lead gained through early/mid game to fight mech head on. If a zerg attacks head on to a mech army they will get completely blasted away and the mech army will still stand strong. I hate that the only counter is to steal units, but that’s how the game design is. It’s not about taking fun trades anymore, it’s about being forced to use crappy tools to have any chance at winning the game.
I beat mass thor today. I build ling-bane and a-moved them. Let Banes blow up hellbats and lings nibble on Thors. They melt like cheese.
“Back in the day”?. You still can and frequently do. If the Terran goes higher Thor counts as the game progresses to counter you broodlords you don’t stick on making broodlords unless you can get that Thor count down.
It’s very possible. Most Mech armies can be leveled by Ling-Bane-Roach-Ravager-Viper.
Zergs won 10/16 tournaments last year. Heaven forbid that the other races dare to have a chance to beat them in the late game.
We have reached an entitlement point where Zergs expect to auto-win the game once they get broodlords out. So when something finally does beat Broodlords or can challenge Zerg late game they short-circuit and want it nerfed into the ground.
It’s just as bad as Bio Terrans expecting to A-move everything and if they can’t A-move something or the MMM gets countered by something they will demand it gets nerfed into the ground.
Total insanity.
build some vikings and completely destroy the tempests. I’d like to see you try and kite 10 tempests, being chased by 20 vikings, while individually clicking a thor to attack. So should thors just be invincible to airtoss? if you lose 15 thors to 10 tempests over 30 seconds that’s on you, not balance.
Nope. Plain wrong…
I’m sure a lot of stupid things work when you’re playing unranked against gold players.
Still waiting for you to show me how 5 queens defend everything from Terran. I’m up for it whenever you are.
Ling Bane Roach Ravager Viper vs mech all game long? Are u serious?
U are telling me except the Viper that Tier 1 units seem the best option for Zerg to beat mech especially in the long run? I am a Diamond 3 Player and right now it is near undoable if both players are on the same skill level - its just unfair. Because Zerg has to build up economy to have a chance at all it means u cant even pressure the terran player because u also have to prepare for bcs so that means staying defensive and building up drone and queen count and spores for the coming bc attack is the only chance to not die by it. And even after defending it after taking a lot of queen loses and hopefully no drone losses:
About the micro side - what does the mech player do with mass thor and tank with his army? --> Yeah a-move… What does the Zerg player have to do? - Split army - get good yoinks with the viper in a hectic fight and hopefully steal some units if the Viper does not get killed before with its low hit points and if u are lucky in total u may have killed a 3rd of the mech army and then u can watch your whole remaining army getting killed by awesome micro from the terran player. The awesome micro from the terran player is a-move ofc. Then the BC part before - its very hard to jump in with a bc into the base of zerg and micro it right? Literally everybody can micro 2 bcs even worse terran players can do that right? Its far more skillfull to have enough queens to defend this high hitpoint crap and getting maybe bait out running in hellions in the same time into your 3rd e.g. roasting all drones in your third - seems like a very fair metagame in my opineon. Well done Blizzard. Zerg has to do so much stuff what does terran have do to- yeah a move and tell their bc’s to jump in / or out.
At the same time terran players complain about the same time the queen is too strong. Guys are u serious? Be happy that the bc is overpowered with the huge HP Lifepoints of a battlecruiser and stop whining all the time thx.
The next question - how to beat mass void ray? Beastyqt has a series to gm and got it done, and its really easy to execute. Zerg cant go corrupter against it, hydras do bad, no infested terran anymore which was the best counter to it in my opineon is now also removed, so only queens are remaining. and queens are slow? and now think about the void ray speed upgrade - you guys get the idea i am talking about? U cant go early mid game to the protoss base and kill it because even if u roach ravager ling all in him voids kill all the stuff in front of the wall with cannons - well done blizzard - the worst balance update in history of sc2
You have nydus worms and overlord drops to exploit the Mech player being slow. Either dropping on the tanks or going after the production in the main base.
Queens,Hydralisk, Infestors(Fungal and Shroud), Vipers(Parasitic Bomb).
Use Nydus to get across the map and kill the Protoss.
You are D3, you are doing bad because you are bad. Not because of the “imbalance”.
In the time spent making this big whine post you could have done a few ladder matches, watched some videos of pro matches, read some guides for builds, etc
Imagine how pathetic you’d have to be to:
- Ignore me because I hurt your feelings.
- Respond to me while pretending you’re not responding to me
- Pretend like I’m actually responding to you, as if there were some kind of a universe where I gave even 1/3rd of a crap what what some clearly intellectual inferior thought of me.
I already did ladder matches and watched pro games dealing with it otherwise I would not write a comment here.
I am maybe not the best diamond 3 player, but I am improving day to day - but after playing terran myself I can tell by ease that the skill difference is too massive. Zerg has to defend all the time. And u are telling me going nydus to make pressure to kill the terran before its started. I havent seen any pro player doing that strategy ever before.
Please dont fool with me and give me answers that help me out i appreciate it a lot thank you.
Then about beating mass void ray?
Queens,Hydralisk, Infestors(Fungal and Shroud), Vipers(Parasitic Bomb).Queens,Hydralisk, Infestors(Fungal and Shroud),
Yeah thanks for these options - but now the legit part - the protoss players only needs to a-move the void rays - the micro the zerg player has to do stands in no comparison to the protoss player.
And now dont tell me again I suck - instead give me a serious suggestion I can work with please - thank you
The engagement is your greatest strength if you know how to use your spellcasters.
Fungal+Parabombs just utterly wreck Voidrays when combined with Mass Queen-Hydralisk.
You use the Nydus mid-late game along with Overlord drops.
Also always deny the enemies expo’s, Mech is very gas heavy for the more important units. Even just getting burrow for some Zerglings to delay them is huge.
Yeah I’ll try my best getting better in denying expansions I guess
I also need to get better in my spellcaster control i guess otherwise I have no chance dealing with this units also.
I’ll practise this more now - thank you
Thors are most succeptible unit to Zerg casters. They are big, slow and can kill themselves very fast. Both Viper and infestor work great vs them, but you need to bring army with vipers. Infestors can hunt for them on their own in little hitsquad.
There are compositions doing great vs Thor/hellbat by simple a-move, ling-bane is one of them. Little pre-spread and if possible separate control group for banes and it can melt very fast.
Also, if you are ahead, Ultras can trade 1V1 with Thors while absolutely decimating Hellbats. Adding them tend to help so much.
Back when Zerg had a much stronger economy and more production. To think mass baneling is an answer to Thors right now… lol
It’s hilarious how you think you know what you’re talking about but you’re always wrong.
When did Z stop having great economy?
Inject got nerfed in LOTV
And so did mule and chronoboost. It also added 12 worker start, which helps Zerg get going.
Why bother reasoning With someone so stupid that they were willing to ignore 2 years of stats then immediately turn around and cite one single good period that Terran had? Even Batz had more dignity than that.
The fact is, the overwhelming majority of Forum Zergs are just useless morons and there’s nothing you can say to them. Seriously trash people. Don’t waste you time.