It just kites my roach hydra army to death. I tried vipers and wow the lock-on kills them all
I’m pretty sure you can’t go broodlord because he outranges you, and you can’t go ultra because he out-kites you off-creep
Fungal them so they can’t kite as easily.
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Fungal is probably the best answer. Can try to be sneaky too and get burrow - burrow move roaches to ambush, or burrowed banes to cut off their pathways. Lurker/hydra is seeming pretty good against most everything, especially lategame these days. Swarmhost/nydus could still work too - take the fight to them.
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There is a simpler solution.
Hydra ling. Bit heavier on the hydras than the lings. Don’t make roaches, they take extra damage from the missiles. This effectively means that the hydras will slowly whittle down the cyclones because they have to get in range for the lock-on(yes i know the lock-on range is a bit longer but try it).
The second thing that destroys this combo is a flank. If you can flank with the zerglings from behind then you will destroy it easy. If you take out a significant number of cyclones he loses because he can’t catch up after that. So one good engagement for you then tech up to pretty much any high tier combo.
Takes a little bit of practice to do this properly but if you can manage it then you will win against it every time.
Some basic concepts for this - the cyclone helion has to move all the time and has to damage all the time. If you can deny those two things while teching up you win.
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Broodlord outranges the lock on by a good margin. By the time a cyclone moves within lock on range, stops moving to acquire lock, then moves back out again (after getting lock), the broodlord has fired 4 times which is more than enough to destroy 2 or three cyclones.
Broodlord can outscale cyclone but by the time you have enough BL to do that terran already has transitioned. BL are also a lot slower so your immobility gets exploited.
From personal experience: Ling bane infestor with a hydra or 2 sprinkled i there just to DUNK on you.
Fungal Growth is definitely your friend. The thing to remember the most is that the Hellbats are primarily a meat shield against Zerglings (and which also wreck Hydralisks), so using Banelings to smash them aside helps a lot, and then you can attack the more vulnerable Cyclones.
Lurkers.
I’m serious they just dumpster them.
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Literally anything thats not t2 roach hydra
You’d have to be really bad to lose to it, lol
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Yeah, I didn’t mean to imply it was the best counter by a long shot. I was just responding to the curious notion that broodlord is outranged by cyclone.
I would say fungal plus just about any other unit erases mass cyclone+hellion. But then, infestor is good against mass [insert any SC2 unit here]
Ling bane with a few roaches. You get a surround and crash the banes into his army. Maps where surrounds are hard are where that style is typically used. The best way to counter it is to do standard 3 base with a fast lair and then immediately starting baneling speed (skipping upgrades until after baneling speed is done). If you do this you get his first cyclone hellion army for free and the game is over, you just have to go through the motions to close it out. If you take a fourth it can act as bait to get him to use his first 2-4 cyclones to cancel it and thats where you nab it all for free.
Broodlord outranges the lock on by a good margin. By the time a cyclone moves within lock on range, stops moving to acquire lock, then moves back out again (after getting lock), the broodlord has fired 4 times which is more than enough to destroy 2 or three cyclones.
well that’s good
There is a simpler solution.
Hydra ling. Bit heavier on the hydras than the lings. Don’t make roaches, they take extra damage from the missiles. This effectively means that the hydras will slowly whittle down the cyclones because they have to get in range for the lock-on(yes i know the lock-on range is a bit longer but try it).
The second thing that destroys this combo is a flank. If you can flank with the zerglings from behind then you will destroy it easy. If you take out a significant number of cyclones he loses because he can’t catch up after that. So one good engagement for you then tech up to pretty much any high tier combo.
Takes a little bit of practice to do this properly but if you can manage it then you will win against it every time.
Some basic concepts for this - the cyclone helion has to move all the time and has to damage all the time. If you can deny those two things while teching up you win.
Yeah the terran i fought earlier was diamond and VERY VERY aggressive, I had a hard time even getting overlords out on the map. Next time maybe I can use lurkers to turtle into broodlord/infestor, maybe some roaches to buy me time. In the case of my game he got blue flame hellions so I didn’t really try with the lings.
I can try a fast baneling army too sure
I’m very used to roach/hydra being the go-to response to anything mech tbh lol
I blame HOTS for putting me in that habit.
same
/20 characters lul
A brain is the strongest counter.
Roach ravager ling bane surrounds also work pretty well, but you either have to surround or be killing their army at their base so they can’t kite back anymore.
Don’t listen to the guy that said hydra ling. Hydras are slower, more costly, and will get blasted down by hellions with blue flame.
Hahaha cyclone hellion isn’t even viable, first scout, if you see terran doing this, if you make load of roaches and lings and send them over map he dies, if he didn’t build any siege tanks. You can research overlord speed and scout for gases on natural and for bc tech. And if he gets fast 2 gases on natural it is mech.
Or if you want play macro mass roach ravager ling, or roch ling bannes. When cyclones locking on roaches and ravagers, roaches instantly kill some. Or cyclones lock on lings, also if you have lings, hellions are mixed between cyclones and even if you select hellions and want to kite, they will block cyclones, because they are slower, so bannes get hits sometimes. Roach banne absolutely demolishes this, even if you have worse upgrades and less units. Cyclones deal no dmg to roaches. Also cyclone cost 150/100 and has 120 hp one roach 75/25 140hp. So you can outnumber them massively. And than get infestors so you can catch them and if you are abusive f2ck you would go for sh and nydus and kill bases against mech.
Conclusion, cyclones are utter garbage, they can work, i beaten with battlemech 6k player while i was 5k at that time, but i lost to 4600 with it. Cyclones are so inconsistent and you have to do risk by going for them, if he all ins you die and if you don’t attack constantly, even if you give zerg 5 seconds to breathe you autoloss and if you don’t do dmg with bcs, this doesn’t even work, but good zerg can hold bcs without taking much dmg and it does nothing.