TvP is a complete joke

Well, when I was winning in HotS and WoL as Protoss, I was winning with composition in PvT, I literally had 2 to 6 of every unit in the tech tree at the end of the game…including a Mothership and 6 Carriers.

Let’s see, I could probably remember.

1 MOthership
6 carrier
some phoenix, can’t claim to remember how many ( I had scouts here in Brodowar).
6 colossi (had 12 total templars here in Broodwar)
6 High Templars
A few stray immortals, because they beat tanks and beat marauders which they still do beat those units.
Mostly stalkers and a few zealots besides all that stuff, and several observers.

This is the same basic build order and composition I used to beat Code S players in Broodwar, so I’m not surprised Platinum and Diamond Terrans can’t stop this composition, which again comes from the exact same build order, becaue if I can beat a Code S in Broodwar with this build order and seme effective composition, then I’m pretty sure a Platinum or Diamond in SC2 cannot defend it.

In Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Warm, 3 gate robo is the most reliable opening in every matchup, although an early STarport into Phoenix is really good in the PvP Mirror match. Although 4 gate is decent, I just want my colossi asap, so I’m going 3 gate robo, not 4 gate.

So you 3 gate robot to avoid getting face-planted by an marine or reaper all-in, and then you transition to 7/8 gateways, 2 robos, and 6 starports for phoenix and carriers as you macro up to support those production structures.

I don’t need pylon overcharge or shielld overcharge to beat people with Protoss, because they don’t know how to beat the UNITS anyway, so those things are unnecessary.

My PvP games I won on build order and composition at 3 gate robo timing.

My PvZ games I won with the same build order and same composition, because it just so happens to be the best Protoss opening vs Zerg in WoL and HotS.

of all the PvX mathcups, PvT is the hardest for me, because I have a hard time dealing with early marine rushes and harasses, but if I survive al lthat, I get omni-tech carriers and get a free win.

But I DON’T want an invincibility gimmick to defend harass, I just want a realistic chance to defend the harass with unit composition and scouting and anticipation and stuff.

Well, because economics quickly mushroom out of control, how early were 15 probe kills, and did he actually do anything useful with the economic advantage that gave him?

Honestly, most people below top 100 GM aren’t good enough to abuse a 15 worker advantage.

Anyway, you just refuted your own position.

If your Terran opponent killed 15 of your probes, then it’s obviously not impossible to harass protoss….

So, do you just suck that game with Protoss…I mean you lost FIFTEEN probes even though you have an invincibility shield?!

or do you just suck every game with Terran?

You proved me correct. Your terran opponent killed your entire mineral line, which proves YOU are doing something wrong as Terran vs Protoss.

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You were just that far ahead in economy, because the Terran didn’t do enough with his harass and didn’t macro behind his harass.

Have you tried focusing down the shield battery? Or moving away from it and hitting a different location?

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I told him to just attack somewhere else earlier, and he called me a “Troll” because of it. lol.

lol.

Guys, Terrans, post your replays. I honest to God want to see what you’re doing wrong and between myself and the other people on the forum, help you fix whatever it is, fi I can.

Hey SpeedyRogue, how much army supply did you have vs the Terran’s army supply when you attack-moved FTW?!

If you were around 160 total supply, the game is designed to be that way, and again it’s been that way since SC1 VAnilla. Nine times out of ten, protoss wins if they have 160 supply.

Like if you don’t believe me, log onto Broodwar after 5p.m. and wati for an A+ named “DontDoThat” to log on, and join his “Play/OBS Fighting Spriit” game and watch him play. Ask him to play Protoss and watch his PvZ and PvT, and by the time he has 160 total supply he is in “mop-up mode” because that’s the way StarCraft has always been. When protoss gets 160 supply on a limited money map, Zerg and Terran just lose 9 times out of 10.

One reason it is that way is because Protoss researches and build times are so expensive. like Protoss damage and armor and shield upgrades altogether are like 50% more expensive than what Terran actually buys in a typical game, for example. I mean, yeah technically if Terran got 3/3 on all units, then that would be more expensive than Protoss getting 3/3/3 ground, but protoss needs 3/3/3 on both air and ground units, and that costs a HUGE amount of money. So if the Protoss is far enough ahead in economy to have 3/3/3 on all units, then he pretty much deserves to win.

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I didn’t say you were a troll I just said you were an idiot who does nothing but state the obvious. You’re telling someone who is better than you at the game how to play. You really think I dont know that you can back away from the shield battery?? You’re a bigger idiot than I thought.

The only reason you’re better than me is I have a critical illness.

If I could play SC2 like I playd Broodwar in 2001, I could 1vs2 your sorry tale, and I’m not even exaggerating. I have replay evidence of winning 1vs3 99th percentile players in Broodwar.

How does that happen? Well it wasn’t a challenge match at first. at first it happenedin 3vs3 because allies not knowing how to play with a Zerg ally, and then noob allies get beat and so I’m stuck in a “1vs3 Experts Only” situation, which I eventually won all by myself…so eventually after posting replays of me wining a “3vs3 Experts Only” after both allies dropped or got killed, I was told by my cousin to try to literally do a real 1vs3experts and see if I could win it.

So I did and I did.

Trust me, if I could play SC2 like I played BW in 2001, I’d have been the champion ever since WoL.

Back then, the only games I lost were map hackers and money hackers, and I even beat most of them too.

If you don’t believe me, the replays are archivecd on Vegas “Battlereports” website. You’ll need to reinstall the correct version of Broodwar to watch them, but teamliquid probably can help with that.

Some of them were on BGH, but I’ve won 1vs3 A+ on The Hunters and Chain Lightning, a 128x96 map.

The point here is I have been “one of the best players ever” at the original game, and I’m above 90th percentile at this game, so you can’t just disregard me like I don’t matter.

In 2001, I didn’t even know who 4You and Boxer were, because I didn’t follow pro gaming. I beat 4You (eventually) in 1vs1 three times in a row though. But I didn’t know who boxer or 4You were until 2004, literally 3 year slater, and I was beating them in 1vs1 and 3vs3 in 2001. So explain that to me. I played against Korean pros and BEAT them and didn’t even know who they were.

I didn’t know Playa was the best on US East until several years after the fact, and didn’t know G5 was literally better than boxer until just a few years ago when Kelthar told me about the 2009 replay, HOWEVER, I did tell G5 that his Bulldog opening on certain maps WOULD crush boxer and pin him on 2 bases the entire game, and he doubted that, and I told him to make a 2 worker change to his build order to try to sneeak out one extra early dragoon, and it would surprise boxer, and he did that in the replay and piinned boxer on 2 bases almost the entire game, and by the time boxer initially broke contain, g5 had 4 saturated bases and starting a 5th.

So anyway, God is my witness, I do not lie, I have about a 90% win percentage against Gretorp in Broodwar and didn’t know hew as a pro gamer until TEN YEARS LATER.

How is that fair to me?

They should pay me the damn prize money, that I beat the people who beat Boxer…and now I’m too damn sick to prove it any more.

By the way, me beating STryker with scouts or beating Gretorp with scouts MAY still be archived on Battlefreports too, I don’t know, it’s not on the open files, I think it’s in a deep archive, but the owner disabled submitting new replays.

I don’t have the replays on my computer any more, because that was 3 computers ago, so it’s not like I saved old StarCraft replays every time I got a new computer.

Anyway, maybe I should message the owner of Battlereports and see if he can find my replays from 2006 vs Stryker and Gretorp, or the replays from 2001 (I think) vs 4You and my cousin “KilledByANewbie/DemonBob” so you can see how EASILY I beat a 400APM Protoss as Zerg in 2001.

I don’t believe in lying. I believe in an Almighty God and I’m pretty sure I can prove almost all lies tend towards evil, so I literally never lie, unless I’m pretty sure I can prove it’s not an act of evil anyway.

And my Cousin didn’t know what Korean Pro Gaming was in 2001 either.

But you can ask him on his Facebook Page, his name is “Dustin Blade Coates”.

Private message him and ask him, “Who was the best Zerg player on USEast in 2001?”

And God is my witness he’s goin gto tell you" That was Wade my cousin, he beat everybody he played including the cheaters…and he beat everybody on every map, including the cheaters."

Ask him who was the best Protoss and he’s probably going to say HE was, and who was the second best protoss, and he’s going to tell you I was the second best protoss.

Who was the best Terran? He won’t remember 4You, but if you tel lhim it was a Teran I beat 3 consecutive times and he beat with Protoss vs his Terran, he might jog his memory, but God is my witness, if you ask him who the best Zerg was He’s going to tell you Wade Daniel Smith was the best Zerg in Broodwar.

private message him on facebook.

He’s the lead Systems Administrator for Rack Space, he lives in the Carolineas now, so I don’t get to see him much any more.

lol critical illness. Is it that you’re mentally challenged?

???
What facts? Can you enumerate here?

I actually agree with this even though I would have worded this differently and made a 3 hour bio pic about why this is the case.

On another note it is a cop out to only balance for the top 1% of players and then tell everyone to play like that. Well its that or they are being lazy becuase it not much money in this game compared to say cod. not even close.

You have to tech early.

Reaper - > (expand) - > Marines - > Cyclones -> 2 Ravens

This stops drops and attacks… Then get 3rd base. You’re even.

Give me a while, I’ll search around my paper work and find my doctor’s diagnosis, where he wrote “FATAL” I the margin. That was in 2012.

I also have a Meyers-briggs test where I scored an perfect or almost perfect score in every category, in spite of my medical illnesses and being drugged from pain medicine and stuff before taking the test.

Might take a few minutes to find those mediclal records and also the paperwork from the Myers briggs test, but I’m pretty sure I know where they are, so I might upload it to Facebook or YouTube to show yo uI’m not lying on either account.

As for MENSA, they no longer allow the full test online, but in 2001 you could still take the full membership test on the internet, which I did. I got a 180I.Q. score on the first try, and a 187I.Q. score on the second try, and got inducte dinto the MENSA High I.Q. Society, and at the time was the second highest official score on record.

You can actually search their archives. My name is “Wade Daniel Smith” and my birthday is December 4 1980. That should be enough infor to find my Official MENSA score from before I got sick.

Who would have though, permanent records of stuff works, even if I am not able to play like that any more, I might be able to prove how wrong YOU are anyway…

Well, the average computer programmer has an I.Q. about 145.

This means the Blizzard development team is not intelligent enough to understand why my analysis of the game is better than their own designs in both SC1 and SC2.

No joke, and if I can’t find a copy of my medical records from that month, I can probably get my doctor to pull it from his archives the next time I visit my doctor.

God is my witness, I lost 40-something points off my I.Q. due to illness, and I’m still 99th percentile.

So, in conclusion, Zergs who don’t make Queens in Brodowar SUCK and don’t know what they are doing…

I’ll keep looking, but I just found some other evidence tha tIm not lying, which is my test scores from going back to college, where I tested out of all the first and second semester courses, blind, including Statistics and European history, which I literally had never taken a formal statistics course, and hadn’t studied European History in 1997.

Anyway, I took like 10 test outs, including the biology courses and statistics and history and sociology and psychology, pretty much all my electives and some of the major requirements, and test out of all of them…with no prior formal education in those things.

I’ll pos tthat to YouTube along with my Myers-Briggs score and my differential diagnosis of “FATAL” neurological illness, assuming I can find that, but it’s buried somewhere under a pile of rubbish in my room, I’ll find it though.

Im not sure where the correct differential diagnosis is, but I’ll keep looking. I found an early differential diagnosis, in which the doctor ws testing me for all known pathogens to see if I had HIV or Hep C or pretty much any other known virus, bacteria, or prion, etc. between him and another doctor I was seeing, the pretty much tested me for everything known to mankind, and everything came up negative, except this diagnosis does mention High A1C, but my blood sugar was perfectly normal, this paradox delayed successful diagnosis of Type 2 Diabetes for several years, because my sugar is never actually out of normal, but my A1C runs very, very high, which over time causes progressive perirpheral poly neuropathy and…Death. For a whiel I also struggled with high blood iron and high blood calcium, which causes further nerve damage…insanity…and death.

Edit:

Okay, I found part of my medical records dating back to 2014, and my doctor wrote a letter qualifying me for Social Security disability an dalso for aid in tryin gto go back to college again for “Moderately severe and debilitating pain due to Peripheral Neuropathy causing it to be difficult to concentrate and contribuging to depression and anxiety”.

now he is a Diagnostician specializeing in INternal Medicine, not Psychiatry, it wasn’t until literally 2 months ago that I was diagnosed as schizoaffective, but again, before 2004 I never had mental health problems.

I also have papers from a neurologist doing an MRI on me to check for brain damage/lesions from Wilson’s disease, because that was an early theory, which the neurologist ruled that out, but told me I had “some unknown toxin” in my blood causing the pain, but he couldn’t figure out what it was.

turns out it was iron, calcium, and A1C, namely “Type 2 Diabetes”.

I take about literally 20 times more nerve block medicine than the average Type 2 Diabetes patient, and sometimes that isn’t enough to stop the pain.

I will post this letter to YouTube so you can see I’m not lying and that’s about 90% of the reason I can’t just log onto bnet and smoke anyone I want to beat right now to this day.

Let me quote that part of the letter exactly, because I got some language in the wrong order initially:

"To whom it may concern:

Mr Smith has Idiopathic (Undiagnosed) Peripheral Neuropathy, possible fibromyalgia, anxiety and depression. His last visit was today (8/15/14).

he has Generalized pain, fatigue, weakness (at th etime I couldnt’ walk 100 yards without crying,) which are moderately severe and debilitating. It is hard for him to concentrate.

This diagnosis is based on history of physicals and numerous (laboratory) tests.

emphasis here.

“MEDICATION IMPROVE HIS PAIN AND DEPRESSION, BUT WILL NOT MAKE HIM NORMAL.”

“Please give him every consideration due to the above.”

Type 2 Diabetes will KILL you. It is progressive, irreversible, and harms every organ in the body, including the brain, and mine went undiagnosed for TEN years after the first symptoms started, partly because of MY fault of being afraid to report my symptoms to a doctor, because I was already pretty sure the pain had driven me insane, but by 2012 it was “bite your tongue fo rpain and gnaw on a pillow to keep from biting my own tongue off” pain, and I had to tell a doctor, insane or no insane, and he immediately knew the symptom was real and that I needed a massive does of Neurontin to stop the pain, but there’s like 10 unrelated illnesses that can cause Neuropathy, and it took several years to rule them all out.

I’ll post it to youtube, so you can see how hard his writing is to read.

ANYWAY.

If I knew in 2001 that they paid people 400 000 per year to play Broodwar, I would have been playing in Korea instead of working a full time job, because no one player could ever beat me in Broodwar in 2001, by the time I figured out how to beat 4You…

And yes, the way to beat 4You or Boxer in ZvT is to make 6 queens immediately after your first 3 Lurkers, and collect your win, because they have no answer when I have max ground an 12 guardians and 6 queens and 6 defilers, just like protoss has no answer when I get 6 queens and 6 defilers…because they can’t make high templar, and they can’t make Arbiters ecause Scourge kill those so easily, and making Carriers is suicide, and I just plague/ensnare anything he makes anyway.

Try it. in Brodoar, from a guy who really knows what he’s talking about, if you aren’t making Queens in Broodwar as Zerg, it’s because you SUCK.

Korean pros never make Queens, but God is my witness, I eat Koreans for lunch…never have been impressed with most of them, other than 4You.

I just made a video, and you know I really do believe in an Almighty God, I just madea video explaining this, which I’m uploading to Facebook, and at the end of the video, I place my left hand on a King James Bible and raise my right hand to heaven, and like this:

“I Swear to God, to the best of my knowledge, I am the real best Zerg to ever play StarCraft: Broodwar. So Help Me God.”

Its unfair to me that I was beating Korean pro gamers in 2001 before I even knew Korean pro gaming was a thing. Like I said, if I knew in 2001 that they paid people hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to play StarCraft, I’d have quit my job and moved to Korea, because I beat some of the same players online, and that wasn’t even a smurf account, that was his main account, and he made more money on one tournament than I make in a year working a full time job.

I’ll do it again when I get my other camera working.

Left hand on the King James Bible, Right hand raised to heaven.

“I Swear, so Help Me God and to the best of my knowledge, I AM THE REAL BEST ZERG TO EVER PLAY STARCRFT BROODWAR.”

And I couldn’t get Blizzard to take my balance suggestions in Broodwar, because the B+ and A+ players on SC1 Forums told the Blizzard development team not to listen to me, that I was “a noob”…even though I TRASHED players who beat them silly in real private and public challenge games.

Aroudn 2006 -2007, evne though I was seriously ill and lost most of my skills by then, I couldnt’ get people to play me in 1vs1, except Sryker, play, g5, Gretorp anyway, because I beat EVERYONE in 1vs1 and 2vs2 and 3vs3, and I even beat everyone in 1vs2 and 1vs3 handicap matches (other than actual pro gamers anyway).

So one day, I was in a public game I created, in the lobby, and waiting on people to join a “3vs3 experts” game, this is in 2007 I think, and three “good but not really experts” players joined the game, and I told them, "I’ll 1vs3 all of you "

And they wouldn’t play me, the 3 of them against me, because they already knew I could 1vs3 all of them, they wanted someone on their team that could match me, which was Gretorp, because he was the only player who (sometimes) played 3vs3 who could match me…

But I ddi, I told them I’d 1vs3 all ofthem, and they refused to play me, and I wsn’t even playing Zerg then, I was playing Terran…and couldn’t play above 65 apm at the time, because my illness at the time wa sstill undiagnosed. Iv’e since recovered to 120apm, but that’s not enough to play the game the way I did in 2001.

I have archived replays on Battlereports of me wining 1vs3A+ Protoss on BGH and winning 1vs3 “Experts” protoss on The Hunters, as Zerg, which is actually a bad matchup for the Zerg.

Now, people THINK they are an expert, until they get beat by an actual expert.

They thought the right thing to do was zealot all-in me, but they were wrong, I can 1vs7 Protoss A.I’s as Zerg, at least I could back then, I can’t any more because I don’t remember the exact build order and don’t have the Zerg APM to do it any more, but back then I could stop 7 A.I’s doing a 20 zealots rush against me, so stopping 3 A+ doing a 20 zealot rush is pretty easily done…then I’m ahead of all ofthem combined, because by the time they realize zealot rushing wont’ work on me, they wasted their numbers advantage, and I was going to get lurkers anyway, so I lost nothing, and I was going ot get queens later anyway, because they smoke templars and smoke carriers, soI lost nothing, and I was obviously going to get defilers anyway, because they beat everything, and look at that, they all went Carriers after the 60 zealot all-in, and that was a bad idea, because I just plagued and ensnare dthem all, and I just killed 54 carriers with 200 supply of Zerg units, and didn’t los ea dmaned thing except scourtge…… And look at that, I just counter-attacked with lings and hydras and eliminatned 2 of them before the third could remax.

God is my witness, I do not lie, I am the real best Broodwar Zerg, and the only reason I’m not number 1 GM in SC2 is I’m too sick to play it.

There’s an A+ Terran who only plays one map, which isn’t a very popular map in the Korean Pro Gamer scene, and he’s very, very good on that map, and he has around a 99% win percentage on that map.

About once per year, I play that map, against him, and I’ve beaten him every time on his own favorite map as any race vs any race.

I’ll look up the map, but it has a zig-zag lane across the middle of the map, and a way to also flank and by-pass the zig-zag lane, and on the day I had in mind, I played protoss and opened 3 gate robo vs his bio build, and I got reavers and shuttles and smoked him, and had 30-something kills on one reaver at the end of the game.

Shuttle-reaver is incredibly powerful on that map, but it’s still “beatable” he just needed a few wraiths.

Moral of the story:

They shouldnt’ even allow “Thumbs Down” in Ladder, because if you only play your favorite map, you aren’t the real best strategist, you’re just a one map wonder…and you’ll never beat a top 10 GM by thumbs downing maps, because if you had to play him in BO7, you obviously auto-lose on yoru least favorite map that you never practice on.

So I played EVERY MAP in the Blizzard map pool in both Brodowar and SC2, incudig the ones that were never part of ladder, to perfection, when I could beat max Ai’s ona map AND beat any player on that map, then I was satisfied with my performance, but I literally played the hell out of broodwar and even WoL, because I was so good at the game.

I played ladder maps and beat everyone…
I played public noobs maps that they made and beat them on their own map.
I played money maps and beat everyone.
I played the Korean Pro Gamer designed maps and beat everyone, including actual Korean pros, on their own maps.

When I figure out how to send a PM to the administrator of battlereports, I’m going to ask him to check his archives of older replays, and see if he can find some of my 1vs3 experts challenges, or more importantly the two replays of me beating TadSTryker or the multiple replays of me beating Gretorp in 1vs1 and 3vs3.

For a while, I played 2vs2 with Stryker as my ally, but he was really a 1vs1 specialist and didn’t like playing 2vs2, probably because he didn’t quite “get” the fact you need only certain builds work in 2vs2, and a 2 base hydra hammer isn’t one of them…even though his hydra hammer is pretty damn hard to beat in 1vs1.

There was another very, very good prootss player that I played 2vs2 with one year, and he taught me a frew Protoss tricks with Reavers which I’m not going to explain here, because it’s one of the few advntages I still have in SC1 and SC2, but suffice it to say, we won 99% of our games on 1 base each and it didn’t matte what the opponetns were doing, we were able to scout it and hard-counter it. I was plaing Terran vultures opener, and he was going for a fast one reaver opening every game, and we beat literally everyone we played except disconnects…when the opponents saw how rigged our strategy was, they asked us sometimes, “how are we supposed to stop that?”

And were’ like, “You’re not, that’s the point.”

But like, we’d scout what the opponent is doing and it’s like, (My Ally) “Perfect. I know exactly what to do. Okay, that guy is working on a drop of his own, so you need to get some defense for that, but I’ll just work on the reavers as usual.”

And I won’t tell you how rigged my drop defense is as TP vs TP in 2vs2, but suffice it to say a well placed missile turret can trick your opponent into doing EXACTLY what you want him to do.

“You dodged the turret, lol, I WANTED you to dothat! Perfect, I get free kills anyway. You did EXACTLY what I wanted you to do, free kills either way. I put the missle turret right there, but I only did that to play with your head, I wanted to fight you in this part of my base, away from the mineral line, so I put a turret in th emineral line and another turret on the perimeter, and you fell for it and now I get free kills…and don’t even lose a unit killing it all.”

to be honest, he’s actually the highest level 2vs2 player I’ve ever seen in Broodwar, and we had a theory that every game should be won on one base, regardless of race matchups…and I still think that theory is valid in Sc2, for goodness sakes.

Forgive me, I’ve forgotten his screen name. We only played together or about a month or so, and that was around 2005 or so, but we played several hundred games together, and literally won like 99% of them except disconnects.

And we made “2vs2 Experts Only” games, so that’s about the best you can do for making a game with high competition, unless you happen to know 2 other ridiculously good players anyway.

But basically, Terran goes 1 base vulture, and protoss goes 3 gate robo, and you only need one base each and it doesn’t matter what you’re opponent’s race or build is, you should be able to win from that opener. Now obviously you rare going to adapt to whatever the opponents are doing, but the opener is the same in every race matchup for 2v2 and even 3vs3.

and no we didn’t literally win "every"game, there was one team that beat us one game, but we rematched them and beat them in the second game, but we were forced to expand in both games, eventually, because that team was probably two Koreans’s Smurf accounts.

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PPP admits that protoss is better+easier and that protoss doesn’t win premiers because pros don’t know how to play!

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Protoss design is complete trash. The race is completely overpowered vs normal people and weak against the best players in the world.

Protoss design in SC2 is god awful just like it is in SC1.

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I can’t help myself. That’s not what the Incompleteness Theorem says (not at all, like not even a little bit). The fact that you went out and grabbed a math term to make your argument sound more educated only serves to undermine the whole thing and make you look immature IMO. I’d avoid that going forward, the internet is a big place it’s likely there’s going to be someone present to call you on your BS.

The PPP got their copy from the higher ups, I see, or shia is making multiple accounts again.

PPP won’t stop until they are left with complaining about PvP.

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My TvT is 70%
My TvZ is 61%
My TvP is 39%

I did not beat a single protoss today, but i guess PPP will argue that every single protoss player i played was just better than me at SC2, and I just happened to be better than every single Terran I played because i didnt drop a game to terran during the same ladder session.

what strategies did they beat you with? did u have a lot of tvp?

Actually I was able to win 1 out of 11 matches with a 1-1-1 build. But that person was a random player who happened to get protoss.

They either did some garbage DT rush or turtled behind batteries and defended then counter attacked.

This game is absolute garbage.