Trash-tier Prestige Championship

[Cerebrate-1717]

Vote today for the trashiest Prestige and give us a piece of your mind for how trash it is.

2020-08-14T14:00:00Z

Karax

• P3: 1 votes

@Sprite-1655

Karax P3. Trading off all of your Chrono abilities for what? Slightly cheaper and slightly faster CD on your Lasers and Strikes? There’s pretty much no place for this when you have 40% cheaper units and Khaydarin Monoliths that shoot faster than a Stimmed Raynor Marine.

Vorazun

• P2: 4 votes

@aneroid-11199

Vorazun’s P2 is garbage. You’re getting AoE damage from Corsairs’ Disruption Web and maybe Archons’ Confusion - as if we weren’t already gas-starved. You throw in some Centurions doing only 50% damage to clean up the remaining 1-HP/low-HP units after but this makes Vora’s primary problem worse - slow start. Need mass DW’s and Archons and Centurions for this to work.

@IICEE-11900

Vorazun are trashier her p2 are just gimp yourself really hard

It made her weaker then level 1 vorazun with any other prestige ( p0,1,3 )

@FearrWhalins-1432

None of the other commander’s disadvantage actually makes the army weaker by as much as -50%, not even close. Not Fenix’s less bulk P2, not Abby’s less effective biomass P3, not any lack of mobility like Kerri’s P1, not Swann’s no topbar P1, etc.

@Elyssaen-2450

In any case, Vorazun P2 doesn’t have enough votes recorded. Add mine, please!

Stukov

• P2: 1 votes

@ChuckMorris-1559

I’m going to vote on Stukov’s P2, which provides a strange and situational benefit in exchange for 30% Infested Civilian duration.

• P3: 3 votes

@Eugooglizer-11722

P3 would probably be more attractive if infested marine mineral costs didn’t get reduced the same patch it was released.

@HybridProbe-1325

It is amazing only at mastery 90. Pre Mastery 90, it is garbage.

@Porphyra-1768

Stukov P3 (though all of Stukov’s are kinda bad, at best they might be useful against specific mutators or maps, not when random queuing), you lose your static defense for a faster trickle of units, so you can’t hold a line, and you lose the ability to unload bunkers, not a good trade IMO.
Definitely not worth re-levelling 3 times for.

Kerrigan

• P1: 1 vote

@Dehakaburger-3510

Kerrigan prestige 1 has my dislike

H&H

• P3: 3 votes

@Demon-1741

I was surprised people were looking forward to HH P3, I could tell it was terrible without playing it,

@Mortis-1790

I’m going to say HH’s P3. I really don’t see the value in this AT ALL

@EnvyDragon-1526

HnH P3 is probably the worst, I think. 10 Strike Fighter platforms is plenty - it’s almost always off cooldown when you need it, and it’s a 1000/1000+20supply investment that makes enemy defenses obsolete. If you want a Strike Fighter prestige, removing the cap is not the way to do it.

Furthermore, if you want to encourage Strike Fighter spam, don’t discourage Strike Fighter spam. Every other successful Prestige has a pretty clear identity in terms of what gameplay it rewards and discourages, but HnH P3 (and aba p3, while we’re on the topic) exists in this weird state where it punishes you for doing the thing it wants you to do.

Abathur

• P1: 1 votes

@BadDark-21414

Abathur P1 : bad design, you lose your UE’s, and so lose your early tankiness/damage

• P3: 1 votes

@BadDark-21414

Abathur P3 : counter productive, you sacrifice your early/mid game to enhance your late game (and so, not sure 15 brutas+ are any better than regular composition on normal Abathur)

Nova

• P2: 3 Votes

@Psyren-11341

Nova P2 gets my vote. Blizzard, replace it with something else, anything.

@Ultrajante-1157

I also wanna vote for Nova P2. It’s the lamest, most boring, uncreative prestive of them all. Even Raynor’s P1, which is simple, has more thought put into it than this one.

@Threed-2972

Nova P2 hands down

Swann

• P1: 9 votes

@Gachatar-1736

Swann P1. Even with no disadvantages it would still be just a meh bonus, but it’s paired with some of the harshest disadvantages among all commanders.

@Ultrajante-1157

omg forgot about Swann P1. Ok, that is the worst one by far in terms of power levels. Nova P2 isnt weak, its just uncreative and unnecessary. Swann’s P1 is actually literally hot garbage, although you can see they went through the effort of even changing the animation on the laser and everything

@Rujind-1403

Swann P1, it is basically only massive disadvantages. I feel like every single other prestige in the game does SOMETHING, but not this one.

@kaa-2828

Swann P1

@RynerBr-1489

My vote is straight towards Swann P1, you trade wave-wiping calldowns for a tiny bit stronger beam, that only really benefits cyclones but still not great regardless, you’re pretty much nerfing yourself.

@Chickenator-21736

I vote for Swann P1, getting rid of calldowns is straight debuff.

@Swordier-1952

Yeah, throwing in my vote for Swann p1.

Take the aww inspiring top bars, and replace it with a tickle laser that only works if you have vision, target the right units, compensate for re-targeting time, don’t lose vision by accident, and finally fight an enemy army that is slightly wreaker. As of opposed to… You know… Killing it outright, along with anything else in the beams path. And it’s not even good for cheesing objectives since it’s not like it’s doing more damage, or concussing the enemy reducing their attack speed.

@Daegoth-1913

I don’t think any prestige is trashier than Swann’s P1.

@HybridProbe-1325

1 vote for Swann P1
The trash of the trash.

@Kiro-1971

Swann p1. It just doesn’t work well at all.

Raynor

• P3: 1 votes

@lol-15112

Raynor P3 : 600 mineral for BCs is too much. You still need to build Factory (for Armories) and Barracks (for Orbital CC) so being able to build Starport right away is useless. If you fast expand and build 8CC it takes 18-20 minutes to get full army of BC (by that time most maps are ending).

Fenix

• P3: 1 votes

@Ritz-1736

I vote for Fenix p3. It doesn’t change really anything how you play him, it’s the same a+click deathball. I feel the other 2 prestiges don’t do much either, but p3 is the biggest offender.

[Mortis-1790]

I haven’t used even close to half the prestige abilities yet, so I’m really shooting from the hip. But just to get this ball rolling, I’m going to say HH’s P3. I really don’t see the value in this AT ALL. Strike platforms are already an end-game investment. The increased cost is going to slow it down even further, and most likely reduce the amount of Horner units on the field. Finally, sometime in the 20+ min of the game, the 11th platform might get built. At which point it gets launched, what maybe 3 times before the game ends? Whoopty freaking do.

This ability is trash and will be strictly worse in most games because of the ungodly cost.

[Demon-1741]

I was surprised people were looking forward to HH P3, I could tell it was terrible without playing it, same with abby’s P3. Power creep has already made games much shorter than they used to be. Prestige’s that are only good for really long games were dead on arrival.

[Psyren-11341]

Nova P2 gets my vote. Blizzard, replace it with something else, anything.

Swann P1 is really bad too.

[Dehakaburger-3510]

Here is how I modified each Prestige (Kerrigan prestige 1 has my dislike).

H&H: Prestige 3: Galactic Gunrunners

Compared to Mengsk’s Toxic emperor Galactic Gunrunner doesn’t provide much power and the cost is too high to be useful, except for specific situations.

Link: https://youtu.be/wAxRLIeK8Wc

Changed Advantage

1. Striker Platform can be built without limit
2. Cost remains the same 100/100
3. Napalm Payload can be stacked by 5 times (500 in 10 sec)
4. Invincibility (The enemy can still target the fighters though)

Changed Disadvantage

1. Mag Mines are disabled
2. Calldown in the Fleet is disabled
3. Space Station Reallocation is disabled

Nova: Prestige 2: Tactical Dispatcher

This is more like a QoL than an actual prestige. While this prestige is actually not that bad however it’s compensation is inadequate with the absence of Griffin Air Strike.
If this is going to remain then I say its performance should be vastly superior than it is now.

Link: https://youtu.be/3Zvr1MPidn0

Additional advantages:

1. Griffin doesn’t need vision to transport units
2. Griffin creates powerful shockwave that disables enemy units/building for 5 seconds (2 seconds for heroes)

Additional disadvantages:

1. Griffin no longer carry allies

Swann: Prestige 1: Heavy Weapon Specialist

The idea itself is OK, but its performance is abyssmal.
(Why not change the name into: Power of the Sun?)
Link: https://youtu.be/6LqbOBvZgtY

Improved Advantage

1. Drill can now benefit from Weapon Upgrade (Max. 50 to 65)(Actually “towers” should be applied in default for Swann and Karax)).
2. Drill’s radius corresponds with Swann’s 3.2 Draken Laser Drill Mastery 1.5 to 2.175 radius
3. Drill’s lock-on time is reduced by 50%.

Abathur: Prestige 3 Limitless

For Abathur P3, I agree with KirikkitOne’s solution

@KrikkitOne-1424

biomass 1/2 as effective
150 biomass for UEs
100 max supply

bonus
UEs unlimited
UEs available from L1

I don’t know about healing 7hp/per sec out of combat though.

[ChuckMorris-1559]

I’m going to vote on Stukov’s P2, which provides a strange and situational benefit in exchange for 30% Infested Civilian duration.

Another candidate for reworking or replacement.

[Ritz-1736]

I have a question before making my vote, with “trashy” you mean that doesn’t change anything about the commander gameplay (the point of the prestige system), or that is a straight nerf?

[BadDark-21414]

Hi,

*** Abathur P1 : bad design, you lose your UE’s, and so lose your early tankiness/damage

*** Abathur P3 : counter productive, you sacrifice your early/mid game to enhance your late game (and so, not sure 15 brutas+ are any better than regular composition on normal Abathur)

[Gachatar-1736]

Swann P1. Even with no disadvantages it would still be just a meh bonus, but it’s paired with some of the harshest disadvantages among all commanders.

[Cerebrate-1717]

It means how do you feel about it? Is it good or just complicated piece of sh*t that doesn’t make thing fun for u.

[Eugooglizer-11722]

nova p2 is actually pretty good for tank/lib.

I’d vote for stukov p2/p3. P3 would probably be more attractive if infested marine mineral costs didn’t get reduced the same patch it was released.

[Gachatar-1736]

Stukov P3 is amazing. Have you even tried it?
P2 can be fun too, and the disadvantage is almost nothing, especially when you can store several waves of infested civ inside banshees without their timed life decreasing.

[Dehakaburger-3510]

Stukov P2 is poor yes (it’s more like a QoL than buff), but P3? That prestige put Stettman’s Infestor rush to shame, it is such a great prestige.

[Eugooglizer-11722]

I admit I haven’t tried it yet, it just sounds weak on paper due to the 25 -> 15 minerals for infested marines allowing you to basically do the same thing once your econ is going.

On Nova P2, it gives an insane amount of mobility to you and your ally. If Nova P2 is weak, so is Swann P3.

[che-2903]

Of course mobility buff is good, but there are waves which Nova just can’t engage with her face. Losing wave deleter is super painful.

[Eugooglizer-11722]

Pretty much just BCs are difficult without griffin. You can drop your tanks ahead of any ground attack wave to premine, basically giving you a variation of airstrike. Libs ruin most air comps as well. If you use bio I can see this being a bad prestige though. You’ll also have spare minerals for hellbats which also have a nice synergy with dropship.

[che-2903]

I can’t remember exact numbers for Stukov (I think its 8 sec for bunker spawn with P3), but 400 mineral bunker will fully pay off itself (comparing to regular 15 minerals marines) in 213 seconds (approximately 3,5 minutes). All marines after that can be considered free.

[che-2903]

Reaver-Disruptor? Scorge-Bane-Viper?
Yes, there are ways of countering everything, but mess up once in engagement and you’re knocked super far behind.

[Ultrajante-1157]

@Cerebrate-1717

P2: 1 Vote

I also wanna vote for Nova P2. It’s the lamest, most boring, uncreative prestive of them all. Even Raynor’s P1, which is simple, has more thought put into it than this one.

Edit. omg forgot about Swann P1. Ok, that is the worst one by far in terms of power levels. Nova P2 isnt weak, its just uncreative and unnecessary. Swann’s P1 is actually literally hot garbage, although you can see they went through the effort of even changing the animation on the laser and everything

Edit 2: replaying to

@Eugooglizer-11722

On Nova P2, it gives an insane amount of mobility to you and your ally. If Nova P2 is weak, so is Swann P3.

It’s not that Nova P2 is weak (altho no griffin feelsbad), but its the most boring uncreative prestiges of them all. Even Kerrigan P1 had more thought been put into it than this. Who ever thought “mann, if only I had more tactical airlifts…”

[Ultrajante-1157]

@Mortis-1790

This ability is trash and will be strictly worse in most games because of the ungodly cost.

I can see it maybe being used to cheese some mutations on some maps, but other than that… garbo