Because Queens remain with their AtA broken 8 range and thus instantly destroying any aggressive build from T and P. The Zerg can drone without making units as Queens alone defend everything you throw at them.
Injects stacking is incredibly broken and too noob friendly.
Because Zerg can have cost efficient engagements due to buff HP Banelings, Ravagers, Lurkers, Swarm Hosts, Vipers, Corruptors with insane speed, Infestor with Neural Parasite.
The Corruptor speed buff doesn’t even make sense anymore with the nerfed Carriers which was the main reason the Corruptor got it’s speed buff.
GG, Blizzard, here we go for many more ZvZ finals and 4th consecutive year of Zerg taking Blizzcon
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You didn’t need infestor-broodlord in order to fail against zerg, the failure was inside of you the whole time.
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Queen and baneling are the biggest issues
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i still wonder, why noone is whining about that 65% winrate for toss in pvt.
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and if Serral and Reynor still win, then roach nerfen.
Because nothing about Toss has improved in P vs T, thus far easier to chalk it up to variance/random chance, etc, etc.
We’re basically watching pro gamers playing a beta for the first time. From personal experience… you can beat anyone in such a stage. I haven’t watched all the games, but I haven’t even seen the new infestor ability yet…
because its absolute garbage 
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And you won’t because no one ever used it 
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And you won’t it got researched like 1-2 times without even being used, there is no reason to use it when you can fungal or neural.
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I think this highlights how broken Zerg was/is. You can remove the most broken thing in the history of SC 2 pro gaming and, even when no one uses the replacement, they can still win tournaments and crush face.
Everyone likes to talk about buffing ultras, for instance, but queen ultra is very strong… it’s just Zerg has always had STRONGER options. They have 100 ways to skin the cat/win the game.
I’d still imagine that Toss will do a lot better in P vs Z once they start playing how I do, already. Sky Toss was probably buffed more than anything else and pro gamers have no idea how to tech to sky toss and what to do atm.
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Actually both trap and zest tried to go skytoss 5,6 out of 9 games, they lost every single one because of fungal,abduct and corruptors.
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its always funny, how people like you assume, that everyone is equally skilled and if someone loses, its because of balance.
isnt it that surreal, that reynor/serral are just better than trap/zest? both are known for having a bad pvz…
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One thing that stood out to me was that Corruptors are faster than Flux Vein Void Rays.
For some reason in my head, I had this as the other way round. It really took me by surprise.
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Well if you can actually control viper,infestor you can’t lose to skytoss.
I consider something broken when you rely to zerg miss micro in order to win because carriers,void,Ht’s isn’t really a microable composition.
Also playa said that he plays skytoss and pros should mimic him, maybe serral and reynor are better but they still crushed skytoss, am i saying something wrong?
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thats an assumption. wheres the proof to that claim? i guess you have none. so its your opinion, that its unbeatable, nothing more.
regarding to this forum, theres nothing about zerg, that is not broken. this alone shows, how pathetic the whining is. ive NEVER saw any post from a whiner in here aknowledge, that serral/reynor played better, doesnt matter against who. they always win because of balance. the complete whining would be more reasonable, if it would be one or two things, thats being whined about. instead, you can find multiple threads to basicly EVERY zerg unit.
i dont care about playa btw. he can play whatever he wants. still hes a noob compared to the pros, so its irrelevant, what he plays.
so you said it yourself “maybe serral and reynor are better”. so if you would truely believe in this option, why is it wrong, that they won against airtoss? shouldnt the better player always win? i guess it will be really hard to find any proof, that trap/zest are on the same skill lvl than serral/reynor. you can easily say, that serral/reynor are better than these two, since both of them have achieved massive results in the last two years. as for the other two… not that much.
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Can you point me to someone known for having a ‘good’ pvz? Thanks, oh wise one.
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How can u claim someones better when their race is undeniably top strong. When a zerg literally a moves a mass of ling bane into toss and into terran and its up to the toss or terran to perfectly split and micro or lose everything, that is not OK.
Zerg gets so much free vision and easier army control and safest early game and easiest late game
How is all of that OK? Of course the top zergs will look better like wtf
Blord infestor got nerfed cuz it was brain dead broken, that didnt mean it was the only thing about zerg that is too strong and its yet again showing. We dont need to wait for zergs too dominate for 6 months into 2020 to make changes and further enrage the player base. Fix the queen and baneling now
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That goes without saying, i am not proclaiming to have an advance understanding or that i have all the answers. This is a forum after all so it is to be expected that you are going to see peoples opinion that might be true or false.
Well there is nothing wrong with serral and raynor winning, what it can be an issue is watching lesser zergs win with their style which i suspect will happen once the changes get through.
I guess time will tell
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and how can you claim that someone is losing just because of balance? that means, that in your opinion, that toss has to be better than the zerg. but how do you judge this? i really curious.
its easy to explain, why serral/reynor are better than trap/zest, as i just said. serral and reynor got multiple tournament wins even BEFORE the alllllmighty nydus sh era (which both of them never abused btw). both of them are on top of the pro scene since 2 years now. where were trap/zest the whole time? btw, you remember that 2 or 3 tournaments earlier this year, where we had a 5/8 and 6/8 toss distribution? what about that?
and im would be fully agreeing with you, if f.e. someone like sortof or bly suddenly start winning tournaments. THAT would be a clear indicator, that theres something wrong. but for two years, its always serral and reynor, thats being mocked about and whats so annoying.
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neeb is a pvz monster. It’s possible he’s gonna be a zerg killer again after the patch.
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