These players have the same MMR:
https://streamable.com/pnai6v
- Zerg switches back and forth between two battles a total of 4 times.
- Protoss switches back and forth twice.
- Zerg is casting transfuse, splitting and stutter stepping his army while simultaneously connecting banelings with Zealots & getting surrounds on the other side of the map.
- Protoss kinda stares at his army then decides to warp in a few zealots; doing absolutely zero micro with the prism or voids etc.
- Zerg has a much better gauge on the timing of when to look away or when to focus on something.
- Protoss has an average of 200 APM. Zerg has an average of 267.
- Shield battery picks up the slack to auto-win the fight for the protoss despite him just staring at his army.
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Hey Goba-Shill, please explain to me why a Protoss can achieve the same MMR as me while having drastically lower APM, half the multitasking and using absolutely zero micro.
How can this Protoss win the fight with such horrible play, achieving a better result in units lost, despite a-clicking all his zealots to die for free and letting his voids sit like ducks, with no pull-back micro, as they are killed by hydras?
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Put it into sc2replaystats and check out how many screens per minute they were at. I’ve noticed Protoss and mech players are painfully low around 4-6 spm.
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I didn’t know they had that feature. I played this game & recorded the video a few days ago so I will have to find which replay it was. Thanks for sharing!
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That’s simple.
Refer to Goba’s Equation.
If his IQ is 100 then…
Troll Batz’s IQ= 200*100/267=74.9.
Your MMR considering Cobra’s standard should be in the range of 3500.
LUL
All goba do is dodge… he can not explain it. So he dodge instead XD
This protoss have lower apm. Not from zerg spammers. But from doing less useful action then zerg does… but win the fight anyway XD
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You can install an app that automatically uploads all your replays to that site. It’s really useful for tracking a bunch of stats.
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I watch through a lot of my replays in all game modes. If anyone has over 200 APM that is T/Z (and not M1+ in skill/rank), they are doing a LOT of spamming, that is, they would rather slap their fingers across the keyboard to increase a number than actually do things in the game that matter. When they are actually playing the game, I find that they actually play at equal snail-like speed to Protoss players of the same skill level. I’m just throwing my 2 cents in here. You aren’t as good as you think you are just because you have a lot of APM.
Shield battery overcharge needs to be changed admittedly - kind of feels like a get out of jail free card. I’m not going to say much else here. Clearly you are not good at the game if this Protoss you basically claim is brain dead is beating you at this game.
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With a speed up video with no clock window it’s hard to know what’s happening. All I can see is headbutting into a protoss nat with batteries and only 30 extra supply and both players were doing a side fight on the other side of the map. When he was staring, notice he pressed the nexus key, maybe for a moment thought about recalling but then decided to warp zealots and save energy for the attack at his nat,the biggest protoss mistake was not that, was he didn’t use the sentries, guardian shield ont hat scenario is awesome and he didn’t forcefield himself against the lings, but I’m not sure if the path was clear or was filled with zealots because the video quality is terrible.
But as always with these cherripicked videos, would be better if you posted the replay, that way we would see the important things:
-State of the game before the fight
-How the fight ended, how the game ended considering that fight.
-Timing
-Upgrades
-Most vulnerable spots (maybe other points were less defended like the third.
The new WCS gameheart or w/e it’s called nowadays also has battle reports. It shows abilities used and unit efficiency. Wont be long till the public also has access to those things.
What is wcs gameheart? I’ve never heard of this!
The mod the professional games are played on? This battle report thing is new so it’s probably under a different name now.
https://i.imgur.com/KtqPQGw.png
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Yeah I still have no clue what you are talking about.
weight 2 c how much terran need 2 do 2 win game vs zergs and protons
Cross-race APM is not a very good indicator of skill, but yes, GM level Protoss is pretty unimpressive.
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It has a correlation of 0.65 with win-rate. It’s simply a fact that it has a VERY high correlation with performance. It would probably be 90%+ if Protoss didn’t have an APM requirement 25% or so below the other races.
APM / spending skill are both universal skills that apply to all three races and Protoss lags on each on average per league. It’s simply a fact that Protoss requires far less skill to play.
https://gggreplays.com/spending_skill_stats#?race=protoss&gateway=am
At the 10 minute mark Zergs have an average SQ of 87 vs 84 for Protoss.
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Sc2replaystats has more updated information as an average over the whole game length (rather than per minute of the game):
| Division |
|
Avg SQ Protoss |
Avg SQ Terran |
Avg SQ Zerg |
| unranked |
|
84.77 |
81.88 |
84.78 |
| bronze |
|
83.8 |
77.12 |
85.57 |
| silver |
|
76.78 |
69.66 |
74.82 |
| gold |
|
84.16 |
78.54 |
82.36 |
| platinum |
|
89.51 |
86.26 |
88.8 |
| diamond |
|
96.18 |
95.68 |
97.41 |
| master |
|
99.07 |
101.85 |
102.65 |
| grandmaster |
|
105.69 |
110.86 |
109.5 |
105.69 ( P) vs 109.5 (Z).
So Protoss lag not just in APM but also in how well they can keep their spending low. It’s definitely a skill problem.
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In most of my replays i have a spending Quotient of 110 to even 130. But i still suck tho.
That there is a Correlation between sq and skill or apm and skill is obvious but You can be me without a brain but smashing Keyboard and warpin stuff or You can actually know Your stuff. Despite that i can imagine that the SQ of protoss is Bad because the units are much more expensive and if You want to warp in at the enemy Base You need some banked Minerals… but true zerg sometimes banks up too because they want to mass produce a unit when the building is finished (spire->muta) but that doesnt Happen often in a match.
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