Im tired of Protoss screaming: “My race needs buffs, my race needs buff, stop nerfing my broken race or i will need to actually work for my wins”
Just start actually microing your army and not plain a-moving+spamming disruptor shots randomly and storming every pixel on the screen. You will see how incredibly broken the race is. Even all the protss and most players agree Terran is by far the hardest and that PvT is HEAVILY favoured for Protoss. They keep sending messages after message, filling the forums with complains hoping blizzard will give them more free wins.
yep, its funny how much they keep talking about the TCF but yet they are the one complaining on every forums and making countless threads about how they want their broken race to be buffed.
Players like Avilo, Special, HeroMarine and even Harstem himself said that Protoss is the easiest race and that Terran requires MUCH more micro and skill.
Peekachi is the one who send it on this very forum a few days ago, can’t find it right now tho for Harstem. Avilo, just tune in to his stream, he says it 500 times per stream.
Aside from being a complete sleazeball scumbag, Avilo’s opinion is also completely irrelevant. He plays a style of Terran that is the easiest style in the game, it’s easier than Bio, Protoss or Zerg. He’s not even in the top 20 Terrans in NA, let alone best top 2. Just looking at the ladder:
Epic, Gemini, Sottorks, Jason, UpATreeZelda, kaosfate, Frobie, StutterStep, YSCH, Greenert, TopGun, DevilMarine, AngryKimchi, RaNgeD, some random barcodes, PiG, are all better Terrans than Avilo. Avilo’s account isn’t even in GM.
Special and Heromarine have been whiners for as long as whine has existed. Source on Harstem, because I bet he either 1) Didn’t say it or 2) Was taken completely out of context.
I disagree with this, though I do think it takes different skills aside from micro.
No. It’s not. Maybe a little favoured for Protoss, but the patch has only recently come out. It’s not even been a week yet, so we have no real data. And it wasn’t HEAVILY favoured for protoss as you claim in the last patch either.
If it was normal mech with some sort of moveout within the first 40 minutes I could agree, but Avilo pretty much just afk’s in his base and expect his opponent to slam their face into him.
PvT is a balance MU, but it’s true it is easier to play from the P side.
Controlling stalker/chargelots/colossus/HT/disruptors is easier than liberators/ghosts/bio/WM, and the P army have much more mobility than T that will allow P to pick T offguard at some moment that crush him a few seconds.
However, ghosts are super strong vs Protoss now (disabling HT + remove instantly -100 shield, while storm do 80 dmg in 2.8s), liberators are also really strong, and WM got buffed again.
So at certain level of play when Terrans finally managed to truly use the power of their army, Terran might become stronger. You also add that BC make late-lategame Terran favored, even if it’s hard for Terran to reach it not behind of Protoss as P has stronger eco. It would mean Terran has already done a lot of dammage to Protoss, and in this case, it’s logical he would win.
But i agree with OP, if Terran manage to control liberators/ghosts/WM/bio, it’s logical to ask Protoss to step up their skill before asking buffs, because they had a easier road until they reached this level.
For example, at some high level, some moves must be mandatory to pretend to play protoss at this level, like splitting a bit your army to reduce the number of units touched by EMP, and not play only with a big ball, have all your HTs in WP, toggle off autocharge of a part of the protoss army when you amove in a WM field to limit the WM splash, and send a second wave of chargelots, have also 1-2 oracles for revelation, and use disruptors in combinaison with FF (and of course, at this stage we expect perfect FFs).
What? 2nd best na terran??? Maybe 20th best, and since there are very few good terrans in na thats pretty bad
He is like 5.5k na, just a normal 5k EU terran could make him sweat
Wow, last thing i was expecting from you
Well said, just the Bc part
On most maps, even if they are even, the terran cant go Bc because they just die
You can go Bc if super ahead (if you go into lategame somehow on equal bases as terran VS toss thats considered being ahead, because in an equal situation toss just has more, but then going bcs is a suicide
Tvp is balanced, arguably terran favoured at the highest of high level, because of the skill ceiling, but terran just always has to do “more” to keep up with a toss
The mobility abuse is something i especially despise, out of position for a bit and your whole ghost lib army gone in the matter of seconds. Put toss in the same shoes, its 1000%more forgiving, and unless you fall assleep in the middle of a mass lib zone, your army will trade out relatively well even with minimal effort
It’s simple buff Toss or give same treatment Terran that got Zerg much better second option cause than you don’t have to buff Z to compensate and problem solved this way we have powerhouse race from tier 1 to tier 3 telling mostly Toss but Zerg to from “git gud” to x is overpowered vs T pls nerf it!
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Sorry, but I have to laugh at this statement because, while true, it’s been shown time and time again that it’s not enough for Protoss to “step up” to satisfy Terran whiners. Reason is because each time Protoss “steps up” in play, Terran whiners find that unfair and want a new slew of T buffs and/or P nerfs.
Don’t believe me? You certainly missed then dozens of cries how Protoss keeping HTs in Warp Prism to keep em safe from Enhanced Shockwave EMP is OP and EMP should affect units inside a Prism.