LOL As opposed to some barista that thinks he’s an expert on game balance because he’s “good at Zerg”?
Stop with your nonsensical plat league balance whining and I will
Okay if you’re too childish to leave me alone then I’ll block you. Bye.
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Yeah, this is true. Players from all sides whine. The difference is that Terran and Protoss players whine while losing everything. Zerg players are crying nonstop while winning everything.
That’s what makes them so gross and pathetic. How much more could you possibly want than to win 11/17 tournaments? Worthless individuals.
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where are the zerg whine threads?
Here’s one.
Or literally anything by Rabidrone. Do your own research, not gonna spoon feed you.
Yeah, this doesn’t explain why something close to half of the Korean GM is Protoss, or why we’ve had years with no Zergs in the semis.
‘Zerg’ is not on top. Serral and Dark are on top, which has a lot to do with Maru/Innovation having a bit of a slump at present and the better Toss players being streaky at present.
No, but seriously…
I…honestly, I’m not sure if this is a subtle attempt at trolling or simply someone who is ridiculously partisan.
Are you nuts?
There were several periods where Zergs were getting hammered flat in the midgame. Lib+Tank push, Banshees+Tank push, DTs into Archon Drop, Archon Drop into Immortal Push tore Zergs up all 2018.
Bingo.
Serral is an anomaly. I don’t think any foreigner has ever been as good as Serral. The guy is amazingly stable and capable of combining near perfect decision making with top notch macro, micro and map awareness. People with massive SC2 experience and commentating the Korean scene are declaring him the best player active today. They…aren’t wrong.
If he went to Korea, he’d probably make it to the semi regularly, at least. I think he makes more money just ruling the USA scene though.
This is the thing - there will always be a player on top. We’ve seen Innovation, Maru, Classic and a few others occupy this position before. However, the second it’s a Zerg player, people seem to lose their minds.
Hardly. When it comes to the GSL, Zergs simply couldn’t get much done last year.
T and P were constantly saying that it was fine and that Zergs just needed to adapt.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot - adapt.
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Whining non stop on the forums while you’re in plat league is childish.
Btw, if you do figure out how to block someone please let me know.
Amazing.
As a response to
It’s impossible to make this kinda s**t up.
There will always be exceptions. Some guys will always whine, no matter the race. If you look at the bigger picture, count how many zergs are open up whine threads regulary and how many t/p do so.
Btw batz isnt whining at all. To whine about something means, that you mock about a certain unit/race or thing in general. Mostly, hes on the oppposite site and tries to argue, why whiners like especially you (sry, your discussions are legendarx) are wrong. So theres a real difference. You could argue, how practical his arguments are sometimes, but all in all, he doesnt cry about certain units/races and therefore, is less of a whiner than many others.
Please explain to me, why having a well over 50% win rate for multiple years is wrong.
Please explain to me why I should just ignore the massive disparity between the Zerg Base rate and the overwhelming majority of pros being Zerg?
Please explain why when you win 65% of tournaments in one year and your two of your top pros say it’s because of balance, that somehow you know better?
And maybe you weren’t around back before Terran was losing literally everything, but that kid would cry about any win Terran got. He still says Terran is OP.
wrong. the winrates were fluctuating between ~46 and 53% for the most part of lotv in zvt. some moments, it were like 45%, but not for long. there was always a back and forth in the winrates. and since you wont EVER achieve a perfect 50% winrate for both races, a fluctuationrate of ±3-4% is totally fine balance wise.
zvp was more problematic in that regard. we hit winrates around 45% for toss multiple times, so if a race wanna whine about zerg, it should be toss, but somehow, the terran whiners are the loudest on that forum.
wrong again. if you count the pros, who are really at top level, you have like 3-4 for zerg, 3-4 for terran (maru, inno, ty, time) and 3-4 for toss (classic, stats, sos, parting). the number of semi pros dont matter, since they wont ever influence the outcome of a tournament (calling f.e. a sortof or noregret pro would be ludacris). but if you wanna count in every semi-pro because it fits your narrative, yes, zerg has more semi pros on foreign lvl. in korea… not so much.
yeah, that argument again. newsflash, we had a balance patch a couple weeks ago. it was discussed like for months now, that 2019 was a good zerg year and if you would have read my posts this year, you would know, that you cant really say, if it was because of balance, or because of maps, or because of skill. there are several other factors like luck, illness, daily performance etc which you all have to consider. but for the typical forum whiner, thats too much of an equation. they look at tournament winners and yell zerg op. they left out the fact, that most of the tournaments had an almost perfect race distribution.
ok entlighten me. at which time did terran lose everything. im curious.
haha, if i would do that, you would finally know, how someone like me feels in this forum.
Yeah. In TWENTY SEVENTEEN! I’m not talking about more than TWO years ago.
Dude, I don’t know how many times I should have to repeat this: in 2017, Zerg needed a little bit of a buff OR Terran needed a little bit of a nerf.
What actually happened?
Zerg got two enormous buffs to core units, while Terran opener was gutted like a fish, Terran late game (Raven) got eviscerated, Protoss core units got huge buffs. Terran has not yet recovered.
I don’t know why you’re talking about the game from 5 years ago… Actually, I do. It’s called a straw man.
that was the case for all of lotv, not only 2017 lol. but here a little bit more detail for you. since were talking about past 2 years, i start with the beginning of 2018:
january 2018: 51,22%
march 2018: 46,13%
april 2018: 48,66%
july 2018: 49,2%
september 2018: 45,01%
december 2018: 51,78%
february 2019: 45,71%
august 2019: 49,93%
november 2019: 44,36%
so where was i wrong? as i said, sometimes, we had a 45% winrate (i even marked them for you), but that always went in the other direction shortly afterwards. in november 2019, we had a low winrate for terran, but guess what, we had a balance patch (like allrdy said for… 10 times now?)
When TVZ is at 45%, it means Terran won 45% of the time, meaning Zerg won 55%. Terran has not won North of 55% since July of 2011. Zerg has done so several times this year.
I already copy and pasted the entire thing here:
You can look at the same chart here:
aligulac. com/misc/balance/
You seem to be quite comfortable with the pendulum swinging your direction more often than not…
so in your words, balance is, when either side is getting there 55% win period? i prefer to have it as close as possible to 50%. maybe you noticed it, but i used aligulac stats, so no need to post that link lol…
maybe you should read my post again. there were several times, where we had almost a 50% winrate. and for you, i will repeat myself over and over again - yes, we had 45% for terran several times. and what happened after that period? right, winrates went back to ~50% again. so if i get you right, it would only be balanced, if we swing from 45% to 55% to 45% to 55% etc? thats your kind of balance?
ps: personally, i wouldnt care, if that win% would look the complete opposite. i would be fine with a 47-53% winrate for zerg most of the time (oh wait, we have exactly that) with a few 55% exceptations. you know what the difference between us is? i know exactly, that balance isnt the reason, why i lose my games. i know, that im a human being and that i do mistakes. i know, for someone like you, thats totally unlikely. youre a god, because youve chosen to play as a terran.
I think at the end of the day we don’t have enough balance patches and blizzard doesn’t listen enough to what pros and well known commentators are saying about the game balance. At the end of the day, I only personally trust the pros when it comes to balance discussions.
that we absolutely can agree on
Wow. Most warped straw man of all time.
Zerg won North of 55% multiple times in the last two years. That’s balance to you? If you want the win rates
Shouldn’t that mean it banks back and forth across that 50% mark? Not strawing too far in one direction or another? No. Apparently you like it when it’s banking between 50 and 56%…
If things were balanced, you could take an average of all those periods and get about 50%… Instead that’s not what you see. Not at all. And as long as that favors you, you don’t seem to care.
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