You should play DnD with DM that awards nat 1 with something silly and over the top. Sure, you only get it 5% of the time. You’ll hate the DM non less. Because it’s silly you should die because he made you roll 5 checks doing one thing.
yeah again, obv its unfortunate and sure, you would recognize that. but the winrates arent constant at f.e. 46% for terran. again, its pending between 45 and 50% most of the time. like i said, its unfortunate, that its only in zerg favour, but the goal shouldnt be to have either side imbalanced for a couple of time, but to achieve that almost balanced 50%
never was into that DnD stuff, so i dont rly know, what youre talking about 
but yeah like the same i write above this, its unfortunate, that its fluctuation in favor of zerg, but overall, it should be the goal to reach almost 50% and not to let either race be op for a period.
So are you saying you prefer the winrates to oscillate between 45-50 than between 45-55? How does that make any sense at all?
And honestly, I’m not sure this conversation is constructive at this point. You have been presented with the truth that there’s a very noticeable and consistent bias towards Zerg in this game for the last 3 years and all you are doing now are mental gymnastics to avoid the inevitable conclusion that there needs to be a serious reevaluation of this race rn. You are not contributing anything new but bad excuses and barely consistent opinions. Please think before your next response on what you actually want to say about the situation we are in.
yes, because 45-50% is a smaller fluctuating size thant 45-55% btw, i wouldnt have a problem with that, if the winrates would favor terran for 3-4%.
zerg got nerfed. that is what happened recently. all i say is to wait 1-2 months to see, how the winrates develop.
OK, that’s fine, and kinda reasonable (although it’s overly conservative imo given the overwhelming data in front of us). Let’s say we have a 47% winrate or lower in both matchups these the next couple of months. What would you think needs to be done then?
then we should look at tournaments. if there are abusive plays, lets say lurker viper, are becoming a problem, the next nerfs will happen. if not, 47% is totally fine as a winratio.
I rest my case. 20 characters.
again, you wont ever achieve a 50% winratio. there will be always be some % in favour of any race.
The fact that you don’t realize that a consistent 3-5% winrate bias in both (!) matchups is huge for such a big sample size is beyond me. Still I don’t see any point in continuing this conversation any longer.
Do you have any idea how many factors can impact these numbers besides balance? Even if there are 10s of thousands of games played over a 3 year span it’s mostly the same player pool and a couple of outliers can impact the numbers a lot.
With race populations varying so much it’s very possible that there’s a few stronger Zerg players influencing the numbers. And even if that’s not the case there’s so many factors impacting winrates that anything within ~5% isn’t statistically significant.
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Hold on for a second. That’s a different excuse than what you said earlier. Let’s not jump between excuses. You said:
As a response to me saying that 2 players can’t skew the results. Let’s first agree on whether or not this is bull**it before we go on to discuss further your other arguments (not actually going to discuss with you, because it’s pointless to talk to someone who dodges the topic everytime he’s proven wrong).
Just realized everyone responding here is absolutely clueless and i’m completely wasting my time. Byeeeeeeee.
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Since we can’t see the details of the games played in the data there’s no definite way to answer this. But since I was talking about a single period of roughly 600 games it’s very possible that a couple of players could impact the numbers by a few percent.
Stretch for example has 16500 games played. If 10000 marches are with Z non mirror for example, he problably had won 300-500 matches due to imbalance. The same that other players have lost unfairly.
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“I just realized I’m wrong and now I’m leaving. Byeeee”
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As if I needed more proof that I’m talking to a 6 year old.
You asked me to clarify my position and I did, now you’re dodging. So do you have anything to say or are you going to be childish and avoid the question?
So you accuse me of dodging and then you dodge. lol, should’ve seen this coming.
Didnt he like… Beat byuns 3 rax reaper in 2016 or something?
And Dark, and Soo, and Roague, and Elazer… Oh and every pro wins far more than they lose against both Terran and Protoss for multiple years. Why? Skill. Obviously…
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no, no and no. dark is in amazing shape right now, but i rank innovation higher than him. soo and rogue (is that bad writing on purpose?) arent even top5 atm. beside their win at iem/gsl, theres nothing for both. its like saying “gumiho is one of the best terrans”, just because he once won a gsl. would that be the case? and elazer… srsly, because he got a 2nd place due to gridluck… can we keep it serious plz?..
wheres the proof, that EVERY pro wins far more than they lose against t/p? dont claim something, when you cant proof it.