As people are aware (barring crazies running around claiming to be an 4000 year greek gods), Zerg is currently in a favorable position balance-wise. Part of it, is that the current map pool is punitive to Terrans and Protoss, but the bigger piece is that Zerg are taking advantage of cheap and low cooldown free units that require almost no commitment.
Is the upcoming change enough to fix this?
I think yes, if the map pool is more balanced too.
As long as infestors are this big of a problem, no. Every player is just looking to not have to play against their late game.
Squash that unit like a cockroach. The Raven was waaaayyyyy less OP and they gutted it like a fish.
how do you know, that its not alone a map-issue? thats your claim. i would say, that its mostly a map issue. whos right? you cant tell.
ps: oh sry, you addressed this in the last part lol. ok. atleast you said this ;D
With free fast neural in the new patch, I’m not so sure.
And the whiny crybaby zerg brigade is still going to drown us in tears over how tough it is to play a severely OP race.
tbh, all i read in the past 5-10 weeks was, how broken zerg is. sometimes its the infestor, sometimes its the nydus, sometimes its the creep, sometimes its the queen, sometimes its the infested terran etc.
threads that are opened op by whining zergs, i can count with 5 fingers. so if there are whiny dudes here… its the terran and toss fraction.
The map pool, I see this thrown frequently to explain imbalances
What’s with the map pool? Oh this ramp is 1 cm larger than the other maps, oh the rush distance increased 1 milimiter than the previous map pool, so that makes zerg imba
The map building formula is already so rigid, will we have to make it even more rigid? At this point it would be easier if we just stick with the same maps forever and never changes
That’s what they did in warcraft 3, we use the same 7 maps from 15 years ago, there is no room to make new maps, because if you change bases distance or change creeping spots you break the balance completely
There is a serious problem with balance if only a tiny difference between map pools breaks the balance so much
Thanks for honestly letting us know you factually can’t even count then. Between batx, erazorz, and berzerk, I can see five in the past 48 hours. Much less 5 weeks.
h t t p s://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/sc2/t/reality-check-2/4123
h t t p s://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/sc2/t/terran-bias-in-forums-terran-bias-in-patch/4097
h t t p s://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/sc2/t/troll-sets-up-trap-that-backfires/4103/46
h t t p s://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/sc2/t/fact-check-zergs-win-everything/4016/244
h t t p s://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/sc2/t/mutalisk-worst-unit-in-the-game/4169
well, batz is batz. the thing about batz is, he really likes to overexaggerate and not many like that. but atleast he invests into researching his statistics. so yes, batz is like the prototype of every zerg-defender, but if you compare him to f.e. a playa, which would be the prototype for a toss-whiner, he dont whine like an idiot. if he claims something, he has almost always some kind of statistic.
that 2nd guy is a toss player (atleast the profile says so, i dont know who that is), so you cant count him on the zerg side.
and the 3rd one, mystikast… didnt whine about how another race would be op. he claimed, that mutas are too bad for their cost (which is actually true, but anyway, dont wanna open that topic).
its a difference, if you whine about another race being op, or whine about your own units are trash. like, if you look at the current whine wall, its all about “zerg being op” not something like “meh, cyclones are trash” thats a difference.
so, you named batz, a toss player and someone who complains about his own race.
on the other hand, you can easily find 10000000000 threads about zerg being op in the past few weeks.
Zerg needs a gutting in zvp, P chargelots need the nerf badly for pvt
Terran needs to be allowed to make scvs during orbital transformation
The fact that there’s any Zergs still crying right now, like Shaz stating the the other two races are “stronger and easier,” is a testament to just how insanely toxic the Zerg whiners really are.
The absolute best we have from the Zerg camp? People like you. Who admit the Infestor “might” be “a little” too strong… it’s broken beyond belief.
When AAM was too strong? I called it out… even though Terran was losing everything at that point, because our midgame was absolute trash. Why? Because that crap was so obviously broken and the game looked stupid.
Now, you have Zerg players winning THREE TIMES as much as their Terran and Protoss counterparts and I don’t see ONE Zerg player calling it out for what it is… stupidly broken and overpowered.
I would do a lot of little balance changes…like seige tanks seige up 0.2 - 0.25 secs faster…roaches either -5 hp or cost a tad more. Queen nerfed a tad. Adepts do +2 dmg but get -1 or 2 bonus to light. Etc. but Blizz don’t care about trying to truly balance the game. Charge cost 150/150 -2 impact damage. Immortals take max 12-14 dmg up from 10 (if I read that correctly in the editor), minus 10 health and cost reduced in minerals to 250. Nydus cost increased to 40-15 or so. Etc. Void Ray increase dmg slightly. Mothership immune to abduct and neural. Neural parasite damage reduced, Infested Terrans damage reduced, swarm hosts movement speed decrease very slight, but reduce cost of some of the unit or main upgrades for zerg (like carapace upgrade cost 125/125 instead of 150/150)…
Its one thing to disagree with the specific changes that need to be implemented for the game to be balanced, and thats fine and good and helps to have that feedback to balance the game…One obviously needs to take into account racial bias and actually watch and play the game so they can judge for themselves EDIT: and use and look at data, but its another TO NOT CONTINUALLY strive for perfect balancing of the game. Blizz does not care, they have shown they don’t care…they care about changing it up (the meta etc.) to keep players playing and that’s fine and all but to not care about actually perfecting the balance of the game at the same time is…yeah. At this point, with how long the game has been out, it should be better balanced by now.
It really feels like Blizz dedication to SC2 is gradually fading at this point. So we might not have that many balance patches ahead of us.
I think we will, perfection is not set in stone it’s a continuous process like caring for a garden.
Overwatch is actually in quite a good state with Balance right now and the question is like, well whats is the next step Blizz will take with the game? Your Overwatch on Youtube had a nice video about Power Creep in the game and the current meta…
lol. In the same post, even. Facepalm.
Just you and batz
I don’t mind if they release an update that temporarily weakens the state of balance, so long as it makes the game more fun. If it isn’t temporary or takes a while to address, then I completely agree with you.
This update seems to be more of a balance patch and less a lets-mix-it-up type update. Hence the thread on if the changes are enough to fix the game state.
I’d be down for some small maps for a change. BRING BACK STEPPES OF WAR! Anyone with me? Send tweets to rotti to make it happen!
Swarm hosts on that map.
yup. thats how you get swarmhosts nerfed in 10sec!