TvZ is good, TvT is good, ZvZ is kind of good.
PvT is meh, PvP is ugh, PvZ is horrendous.
Okay, let’s change T and Z with ambiguous buffs on P.
Why can’t we just buff P and leave T and Z alone?
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The queen nerf does affect PVZ. May make oracle and phoenix openers better.
I do agree though the other changes won’t really change PVZ and the patch is pretty weak stuff overall.
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Yeah, but same thing can be done with buffing the oracle and phoenix somehow. Now, how is zerg going to deal with the battlecruisers?
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zergs r deal with balancecruiser with queen and spore
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I, as a Protoss main, would prefer having Tempest being buffed. Oracle and Phoenix are useable. Tempest are not. The only reason they are being built is because there’s no other way to counter ranged liberators, and even when they are built, Tempest kills them sooo slowly.
As our lord and savior Wap has spoken, just makes more queen and spore.
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Oh yeah, it wasn’t a problem, not its “our biggest concern”. Of course, it can be dealt with, that’s not the main issue. Do you want to see every single game with battlecruiser followed by another freaking battlecruiser nerf?
Look like a way to create problems than solving any.
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Yeah, something that make tempest more microable would be great.
They’ve outright said that if Battlecruisers prove to be a problem in spite of their expectations, theyre going to adjust the battlecruiser, not the queen.
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personally i don’t feel like zvt is “fine” but i’m just a noob 
mech is slightly too strong, tone down the thor, because it got buffed WHILE the broodlord got nerfed and honestly, it was too much at once, one or the other, but BOTH AT ONCE, has seriously crippled zerg vs mech.
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range is not need 2 kill balancecruiser it need 4 libernators and speedy unite like banshee
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Exactly my point. When it’s much simpler to just adjust P, they just have to meddle with what’s already balanced, and anticipate to fix the problem that would otherwise not exist.
Good, now we have 3 more units to nerf.
Things get stale after a while with no balance. I for once agree for some of these changes just to shake how the game feels. But the changes they do are not for balance sake, but to shake up the game to make it feels “Fresher”.
libernator already nerf and banshee is ez 2 kill as zerg no need 2 nerf terran like all other patch
The queen does entirely too much for zerg. Early defense, map vision and army mobility, economic boost, mid and late game army healing. Its terrible design. The queen needs to be toned down so that it isn’t just the end all be all solution to all of zerg’s everything. If that means there are some growing pains while they get other systems in place so that zerg has to actually make a choice as to whether to play safe or greedy, so be it.
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More terrible than P’s units? T’s units now go toe to toe with the previous queen design, and P’s units can’t? Is that really the queen’s problem?
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Yeah, but after this queen nerf, those need to be nerfed further. How else do you think it balances?
no those unites r bananalanced op queen get nerf and blazzard make world better 2 live
Did you read the beginning of the balance update?
i love how pants is talking to wap like an actual person lool