GSL ST1: 12 ZvP matches played
Protoss wins: 3, Zerg wins: 9
ZvP win percentage: 75.0%
Note: The super tournament has a small sample size. Not accurate on its own
To get the IEM Katowice statistics I got, you have to manually add the ZvP games from the Ro24 and the group stage. I chose to look at these because the Ro76 often has matches where one player just happens to be far better than the other.
These stats indicate that protoss has a deficit vs zerg. Maybe protoss needs some buffs or zerg needs some nerfs? Maybe we should wait until GSL Code S season 1 finishes?
Honestly, let’s just wait for a couple of months until Zerg wreck Protoss out of the top 20 on Aligulac. We’re very close to it. The community has to realize the severity of the situation so that when we deal with it it will be adequately.
I’m sick of community figures saying ZvP is a bit problematic and in the same breath say that stuff like the creep tumor nerf that happened will break the game and Zerg won’t be able to win ever again (guess what - it basically did nothing). Like they have to realize that PvZ is completely and absolutely broken. Not just mildly skewed.
Did you know how hard to handle the zerg main force army?
Because of serral or rogue get champion by zerglings? I don’t care tournament PVZ win rates.
I believe Huangxudong still can’t win me, he is not serral. He can’t, he just know F2+A by banleings,roaches, fire roaches or hydralisk. He even doesn’t know what is multiline-attack.
Or should I say zergling is imbalanced? So how can I explain about’ probe imbalance! It can recover their sheild! '?
Emmmm, I don’t know.
I just want to know how to solve the radius of EMP as large as your dinner plates and Marauders with 8 transport planes. Pro player or balance team are both OK. OK. Just give me the answer is enough.
Just give me the answer, I still want to play this game. Whatever.
It’s not just the winrates too. If you look at the actual games the best winrates in PvZ are in cannon rushes, immo-sentry all-ins, Adet all-ins, dt cheese etc…
Anyone with half a brain watching these games will instantly realize that this matchup is insanely broken to make the top Protoss players go for all these shiity coinflip builds.
Yesterday I watched Neeb die to mass lings vs Reynor on ESL final. It was so sad. Reynor just mindlessly massed lings against a stargate opening (after unnecessarily losing drones against adepts because he was out of position). He just rallied lings to Neeb’s third until he gg’d.
Maybe the strategy of Stats is good in PVZ? Bad in PVT? I don’t know…I don’t know.
I just think the zerg main force army is too hard to handle in late game. Not everyone is Serral.
But…Crushed by diamond Terran becuase I can’t solve the ‘dinner plates EMP’. https://i.imgur.com/01CMLyi.png
So…What happened? I don’t know…I don’t know…
I wish when Zerg got nerfed that the pro players didn’t just adjust and still win. That way I can understand what everyone is going through. As for Protoss that race was nerfed into the ground and it wasn’t Zerg players calling for it.
Protoss not doing well should not be a surprise to anyone.
But it’s hard for Xel’Naga. We are designed for… I can’t say more even It’s false. Just I guess.
Why we never get old?
Why we wear golden clothes like angels?
Why we are the first race ?
The allegory of Xel’Naga. When they start to creat a new world. They need ‘first’. Why…one kind of unit counter one kind of unit…
FOR A RTS GAME, FIRST IS IMPORTANT, JUST IMPORTANT NOT BEST.
I can wait. As wish as Xel’Naga want, we never get old.
I like the game. Interesting.
Ah~~~~ just…I just hope don’t make protosscraft 2. Blizzard balance style like Warcraft World is not good…emmm, they need time too.
Not only is macro play unattainable for Protoss, but you’re totally correct about the gimmicks and allins required for wins. It’s not at all enjoyable to watch or play.
I suspect its because of the deeper issues with both races in this matchup. Zerg can just explode economically, and has many different compositions requiring diverse responses from Protoss. In turn, Protoss have the worst map control and mobility early on, and have no solid, competitive late-game army.
Over the years there’s hardly been a period when Protoss is favored in this matchup. Go look at aligulac. It has not been balanced, and it’s just tedious to watch.
The last iterations of balance changes haven’t gone far enough to address PvZ. And for the Zerg apologists - don’t you wonder how many of your (and Serral’s, and Raynor’s, and Rogue’s) wins are due to just being amazing players or having a blatant racial advantage?
Wouldn’t you like to find out - to be even slightly underpowered in a matchup to really test your skill?
What you are doing is called cherry picking. You select the tournaments where Zergs do the best and ignore the ones where they do the worst so that you can lie and inflate Zerg’s perceived performance. If you look at ALL tournaments, you can see that PvZ is fine:
https://i.imgur.com/J0xCglb.png
The only race that has a substantial deviation in expected performance is Terran in the round of 4. Terran’s representation makes a massive leap above their representation in the previous round, which means in the round of 8 Terrans tend to overperform enormously and this over-performance results in a deficit to the number of Protoss and Zergs in the round of 4.
I suggest taking a serious look at nerfing Terran.