Exactly, thanks for phrasing my toughts better then i did:).As said im Platinum 1 and playing against Diamond 3-2 is ok,even if i loose i can analzye and learn, and many times i win.
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Is anybody curious to see how fares a Diamond 2 Terran vs. a Protoss with 2000MMR more?
Only thing he understood was: you see 4+ Disruptors, run to your base for cover. He was not so luckyâŚ
Thatâs only the upper part of the iceberg. Most of them do take the win, then freelose (leave a game in the first 10s) afterwards to remain at the same MMR.
There are quantities of reasons that could lead an immature mind to that kind of behavior :
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Canât stand frustration/defeat/ladder anxiety. They just donât have the balls to play a fair game. And then, when theyâve been smurfing long enough, often start lacking the skill to.
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Enjoying in trolling, preying on weaker than you. Yes thatâs immature, yes thatâs just like bullying colleagues at school. But there are individuals who do bully others at school, isnât it ? Do you think all of them become mature all of a sudden ? Do you think being a gamer does makes them become mature if they arenât ?
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Canât stand a specific MU. They do only freelose one MU, because they canât stand the other raceâs possibility in that MU or have a style that does applies particularly bad in that case. And so are only 100-200 MMR under their real skill. Most of them will admit it though. Thatâs more frequent than one would know
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And finally, the only legit use of smurfing, which is avoiding being spied/copied by others. Thatâs what high level/progamers do. But thereâs a major difference with the three first categories, it being that they DO NOT freelose. They conceal their identity and thatâs all. Theyâre not trolls, nor immature, nor frustrated. Or at least, not as often as the others. XD
Define âgoodâ.
You do not need to be good to smurf, a gold player could smurf in bronze with the same results. All you need to do is to lie on your true level.
Most freelosing smurfs arenât even that good btw, theyâre mostly diamond.
And by playing games with no challenge, they canât really get better, as they canât tell for true if their strategies are valid or if they just win by pure macro/timing/micro skill gap.
Real masters and GM do have better things to do than freelosing.
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Absolutely. It could be punished easily would the devs have the will to do so, just by spotting people freelosing repeatidly.
Thatâs sadly not the case atm.
And those âgitgudâ âl2p noobâ smurfs which do talk so casually about it under the mask of a changing pseudo, do not really like when their little games are endangered. I once created a topic gathering their battlenets ID (not just their pseudos). They took it so well that a few days afterwards a moderator took it down because it degraded the wellbeing of use of the forum to some, lol.
+1 Even more considering this game is played with fog of war, which minimizes the part of the opponentâs play youâd could learn from him on the bat.
But letâs be honest, the âL2Pâ argument most freelosers do hide behind is just a pretext. They wouldnât even be there, freelosing, if they were trying to get better at the game.
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Some people donât want a stressful game after work and would like to relax (might even have a beer while playing) and leave it to the MM to sort it out. What happens is when someone in the lower league is unable to beat you even while youâre missing cycles, periods of you not even looking at the screen and they see your highest ranking, you become the scapegoat even though youâve technically handicaped yourself to their level.
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You obviously werenât here when Blizzard tried to implement real ID. The outcry (and stalking of a Blizzard employeeâs personal identification) is the reason it didnât come to pass.
Alright. But what then will you answer to people whoâre just wanting to play a normal game, to relax after work, when they find out they have to tryhard like hell just because they were matched against an opponent they shouldnât ? âL2P, noobâ ? XD
Anyway, doesnât you wanting to relax at someoneâs expense sounds somewhat selfish to you ?
Technically Iâd say that the first minutes of a game are what make most of the difference between lower and higher leagues. So if youâre drinking a beer once youâve got ten hatchs and enough back to remax twice a 3-3 army over a tiny terran who couldnât even get his fourth, you could perfectly leave your screen one minute without changing the result of the game.
On a side note, of the ones Iâve met, most of the people who claimed they werenât actively playing were actually losing and either lifting their buildings or hiding expands all over the map. ^^
Indeed, I heard about it but then it got cancelled without me having word of the reason behind it. Good to know. I supposed that would also hurt legit smurfing, which is progamers just concealing their identity (and not the freelosing ones weâve got to deal with in intermediate leagues). Still, good to know, thx for the info.
The change allowing per race MMR combined with the free to play change have introduced an absurd number of lopsided matches. Iâm not sure if we have a ton of smurfs playing now or what but matchmaking seems to be all over the place.
They donât have to work âextra hardâ as I am not working extra hard. If the state that Iâm playing at loses to the point that weâre matched against each other, then they just have to play at the same rate as they always play for the same chance of winning/losing as they wouldâve against another opponent.
The only expense is if a person loses and only after checking the profile do they feel cheated hence the scapegoat. If they had won, then it wouldnât even have crossed their mind that my highest league is higher than theres.
Technically that applies to the griefer rather than someone in my position.
Simply put, if that first minute was enough for me to win, then I would have and wouldnât have matched with said Terran but other Terrans who are capable of taking games off me.
APM really doesnt matter that much. I fought a M3 Zerg with 350+ apm as a D2 Terran on ladder (how that happened I do not know) and I won with 150 apm. People spam a lot and generally that is all it is. 150 good moves will beat 350 mediocre/bad moves anyday. I even watched one of my buddies in gold league fight and beat a gold league guy with 300 apm and how you have apm that high in gold league is beyond me. Itâs just spamming and trying to look like a GSL hero.
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Let us clarify : if you do always play like in that relaxed motion, and that you do NOT freelose, then your MMR will be your relaxed one, and not cheatingly lowered. And thatâs perfectly ok. Youâre not to be considered as a smurf in that case.
True smurfs, who deliberately stay at a level lower than theirs, DO freelose. Having a higher league in your history isnât enough to make a smurf out of you.
Now against those, believe me, the mechanics do have an extreme impact over that game. And so if you have master 1 mechanics, even if youâre drunk, sleepy, or under the effect of whatever devious substances, youâll just break an opponent who never acquired those mechanics in the first place. Your reactions and decision making will be sloppy, you wonât be cost efficient, but if you have a deathball and an economy twice bigger, youâll win easily regardless of how adapted will be his reactions, as he will have an army still way too small for any adaptation to matter.
True, though even in unranked you could me matched against opponents who are in ranked.
Still, if playing in a relaxed way is the objective, going for 2v2+, coop, campaign, offracing or even other games would feel infinitely more legit than smurfing on a lower leagueâs ladder. So there must be some deeper issue to make a freelosers out of someone.
Says the guy who was caught asking for hacks with the same username he has on this forum. You are pathetic SunRise.
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Rofl⌠Three times you have accused me of maphacking, statingthat thereâs clear evidence. Twice I have asked you for the story (not even the evidence just the story) and twice you simply disappeared. Canât even come up with a story?!
So Iâm gonna ask you a third time, Iâm curious to hear the story this so called claim.
Oh someone has the same name? Thatâs your proof?
www . rankedftw . com/search/?name=SunRise
You mean like these ones? There used to be a lot more but all inactive accounts. Did it happen to say SunRise from NA with a link to this account?! You obviously checked right.
Lol if you were to Google Starcraft 2 SunRise (with the U.S localiser), thereâs 5 results of 5 different profiles of SunRise. Havenât even checked EU or SEA.
If thatâs your only evidence⌠itâs a bit lacking mate.
You are right I canât prove it. But it is very suspicious to me. And then you defend smurfing and make it more so.
Lol, youâve already had your mind made up as soon as you saw the name. Everything else is just conclusion to confirm your narrative.
How it should work: this is evidence, okay. Lets use the evidence to find the conclusion.
You: this is the result, okay. Now lets look for evidence to back form that result.
Smurfing sucks but on a list of priorities for improving the overall Starcraft experience, Iâd put it pretty low. The majority of my games feel pretty even.
Thatâs how most of my PvTs go. I get called a smurf a lotâŚbut in reality, ZvP and PvP are just really odd MUs, PvP is full of build order wins and cheese. Itâs not particularly skilled so the better player doesnât really win there; itâs always the more crafty and more dedicated player who winsâŚbe it dedication to an allin or dedication to macro or dedication to cheese.
And ZvP is a gong show right now, they can open pool 1st which can go as far as to snipe your cyber core or outright win the game, can transition into a massive bane bust, which Protoss donât have an answer for other than full wall and brace for impactâŚ
Or it ends up in your standard make 80-90 Drones, 50 Queens and allin with F2 a move Roach Ravager or LHB.
So itâs less that Iâm a smurf and more than my PvT is really good while my other 2 MUs are inconsistent or outright bad. One absurdly good MU doesnât make you a smurf, despite appearances.
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I play at night even 5800 and yes it is dumb and during day i play either -700 or +700 because game is dead no one plays it anymore, it is so boring, either to easy or to hard⌠but i didnât mid playing better players, i even beatean 80 rank and 6k players, but today game is imba, i had my own style, i was good in lategame and people didnât know how to beat that⌠today you canât do any dmg and if you play macro tos is 6 bases and you 3-4 and vs zerg terran has no lategame anymore, while no early game as well so stupidâŚ
So what? Yes you would lose but you would learn over time to play more effectively against these players. You would learn faster than if you only played against evenly or slightly better matched players.
This is the silliest thing Iâve ever heard.
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