Serious buff Suggestion from Protoss perspective

  1. Zealot buff +4 dmg with charge upgrade
    a bit more dmg on straight big fights- to trade better vs zerg and terran pushes

  2. Colossi buff vs armored + priority to army units
    Colossi are terrible vs maredeure and buildings, specialy vespin gases and depots.

  3. Some buff to tempest/carrier or change interaction generel in late game vs zerg
    Vs Zerg late game it feels hopeless ( casue of coruppter/parasitig bomp and infestors)

Some nerfs for helping Protoss in big way:

  1. Ghost EMP hitting so often hole Protoss army, then all shields are down. So nerf EMP radius or range. Templars for feedback or many ruptors most of the time not on the field or not in a critical number, if ghosts appear on the battelfield. MBY make build time more plus emp turn down

  2. Bane +2 meele upgrade vs Probes
    Well it feels so dump when 1 singel bane hit a worker line and 10 plus workers are dead.
    give the oppertuity, to not die to the fifth bane runby. mby make banes more supply or more expansiv.

  3. Raven matrix vs Colossi
    completly dump. When u dont have a templar its impossibal to counter a raven push if u have 2 colossi out.

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Zealots are among the few Protoss units that don’t need a buff, it is tanky and cost effective, great for runbys in the late game and for damage soaking in the early game. Regardless a 50% more damage buff is insane.

seems like a good idea, might change the roach/stalker meta in ZvP as well.

tempest/carrier was nerfed to the ground late game ZvP for good reason. it creates stalemates, it isn’t a test of skill and it encouraged Protoss to turtle for the entire game.
If the tempest/carrier/HT meta comes back it needs to be because another unit like the Stalker gets a buff that makes it useful in that composition.

I would rather see the damage of EMP nerfed, especially because EMP is the counter to infestor in TvZ, maybe have it halve the shields of all Protoss effected by it.

What Protoss really need is a better form of vision around their bases, Terrans have sensor towers, Zerg have creep, why don’t Protoss have any equivalent?

why are you trying to counter a raven push with Colossi? Ravens counter colossi, if you don’t like that build a counter to the raven.

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Raising the base damage (same total anti-light damage) would be fine. The Colossus is over-specialized.

Most of your other ideas would be problematic.

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I can think of nothing worse than giving units a straight damage buff which will help ladder toss far more than it will help the top Protoss. They’re also very boring suggestions. How about instead of just nerfing + 2 banelings, observers are 0 supply. That way a protoss can be rewarded for prioritizing vision and defence.

Instead of a straight up damage buff so that colossus counters armoured units how about we give immortals the ability to manually cast the barrier so they can do their job properly. What if we reduced the cooldown so that Protoss that maintain their immortal counts are rewarded. If that’s not enough what if it adds to the total HP pool as a shield (that doesn’t stack) rather than a temporary barrier.

There’s so many more things you can do that actually are interesting…

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I agree. Ladder and qualification are flooded with toss.
To reinforce this with a % dmg buff would be strange.

that’s what a better player can use compared to a worse one.
especially mid to late game → more units, better toss remembers to activate the shield in combat.

make immortals cheaper? make colossi build time quicker? mby make colossi movement speed faster( isntead of changing the dmg)

one cool tought: make it, that observer dont take full space in the robo structure to creat. Mby move observer to a nexus , can build, if a robotic is finished. ( woud denie some probes but give u more vision) vs bane runbys and terran movement

Sentry regenerate some sields over time, is interesting too.

“Zealots are among the few Protoss units that don’t need a buff, it is tanky and cost effective, great for runbys in the late game and for damage soaking in the early game. Regardless a 50% more damage buff is insane.”
_____here i disagree hard- Zealots +4 dmg is aboulutly fine in the current state of the game. it was +8 dmg in past, then they nerfed it to basicly cero.

How is protoss actually flooding ladder ? Protoss is dominating EU gm thats true but kr and na is Lead by terran. But thats as far as flooded with toss goes. How exactly are they flooding ladder besides that ?

Protoss is 29% of the ladder but ranges between 34% and 42% GM. Roughly overperforming by 30%.

What ? :thinking:

They are 29% on the ladder but Sometimes 34% and 42%?

What do you want to say ? This doesnt make Sense at all ?

I know what you are trying to say but its phrased so badly lmao. And what does gm have to do with the Rest of the ladder? GM is Not “the ladder”. The ladder is the ladder. And when looking at the ladder you only See that GM is a Bit overpopulated with protoss. The Rest of the ladder is perfectly fine.

And this is why i asked how are they flooding the ladder besides that and you still answer with gm:

Cant make this sh!t Up. Bourne overdosed on terran again.

Wow. You caught me in a typo. Great Job. 34 and 42% of GM…

Let me guess, this is another stat that isn’t important for whatever reason.

Dude. I have already mentioned GM when i specifically asked about the ladder. And you still give me the stats about GM. What is wrong with you ?

Please read again:

I Said they dominate eu gm. And…what Else? How is this linked to “the ladder”?

Still 37% worldwide. Not just EU.

So might you admit that, at the very least, High Masters and GM are easier placements for a Protoss?

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Can you maybe. Just maybe Stick to the Question without repeating what i have already Stated ? That would be great.

Neo’d that question.

And what should I address? This kid’s suggestion that we buff pretty much every Protoss unit in the most braindead and moronic way so that Bronze Players can make diamond?

I have already Said a couple of Times that i think by playing protoss book of BS you have a better Chance for gm. I Said a couple of Times i want protoss to be less cheesy and more Solid.

But the difference is Not that high. Na and kr is Lead by terran and only EU is domimated by toss.
Why did you write Something in the First place about my Question ? You basically Said what i already Stated but now you have nothing to add. Why even bother?

You should Adress how protoss is “dominating” the ladder. Because GM is not the ladder. Its a very very small Part of it.

Me: How is protoss flooding the ladder besides gm?
Bourne: Protoss is flooding gm
Me: I already said that
Bourne: And what should i adress?
Me: …

…Bourne smh

29% of the population garnering 32% and 34% of Masters and GM respectively doesn’t = “Terran led” lol.

And Inever said Protoss was flooding the ladder, that was someone else.

THEN WHY DID YOU REPLY IN THE FIRST PLACE???

My god bourne. What is wrong with you today? You definetly od’ed on terran.
I basically said: apart from water, what is also wet? And you replied: Water.
Thank you bourne. Thank you!

You’re so defensive, sweetheart.

I dunno if you realized this, but there’s a LOT of stupid nonsense in this thread I didn’t replay to.

This kid literally asked for every buff on the planet.

Charge Zealots, Carriers, EMP Raven.

Why not just ask: "hey, how about you just not allow people to play Terran and Zerg and every game can be PVP?

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Yeah but reply to them but not to me

im actually rather amused. it was very fun. because i think im beginning to understand that you actually just want me to talk to you. maybe…maybe you like me? (in a geniuine way i mean). Maybe you think im fun?

I don’t DISlike you. I sometimes find you annoying and deliberately block headed.