If you aren’t scouting and think you are going to make it past Silver league you are crazy!
Undeniably scouting can solve almost any problem you have in the metal leagues. Almost every time I watch a replay of a game mine or otherwise I think well that could have went differently if he had just scouted more.
Even if its just sending a single marine to sit outside the enemy base so you at least know when an attack might be coming will help. Yes, a good economy is essential, and building a large tactical army is the goal, BUT to really get better and win more games you have to scout. period.
If you are struggling I promise, PROMISE that in your next game if you try to scout every…idk…30 seconds or hell even every minute you will get better results.
Post your thoughts on scouting. Or favorite scouting unit/technique.
It’s really important, but sometimes bad players do extremely weird builds, better than proper base scout, its better having some kind of map control, single marines as you say,workers, lings, ovies, pylons, obs, changelings, burrowed mines…anything that gives you vision is really good.
Scouting just the base is not really good, I lost a couple of games this past two days because I only scouted the base and not the followup and the map, weird and nonsense builds, I expected one thing and the player did the opposite, like rushing pool and then not doing anything with it and go full macro, or two rax, expecting reapers or some kind of agression and the dude went full greedy+upgrades.
Playing in the dark is one of the worst things you can do, always have vision on the enemy third,fourth, and something in fron of his nat/around the middle of the map, and then, something in fron of each one of your bases.
More and earlier, a good scout gives you information in time, a bad scout will tell you you are about to die.
I mean scouting is certainly important no doubt. Will help you hold things you may have other wise died to.
But I think the main focus for people below master league should be their own macro. The biggest mistake I see when I watch people (including myself) play is when they are doing something out on the map. Scouting, harassing, attacking, ect. They bank up thousands of minerals. Which really should never happen unless you are 200/200 with like 5 bases. But even then you can find something to spend.
But I bet I could get to at least diamond 3 league with zero scouting.
you 100% can make it to plat or even diamond without ever scouting. Yes, it is a skill that eventually should be developed, but not at the cost of your own macro if you can’t handle everything at the same time. You will lose some games to cheese or hard counters, but you will win more just because you have more stuff.
People learn differently. Some like to have everything thrown at them at the same time and they survive trial by fire. Others like to add things bit by bit to their game. So for those that fit in the second category, they shouldn’t scout until they get macro down to muscle memory.
I got into pretty much Gold I (not trying to say I’m good, I know I suck) without scouting anything but the natural. Even then I barely change my build, and could just incorporate a bunker in front of my natural every game and still have gotten Gold I.
I think up until high gold/plat all you really need to focus on is getting a solid standard opener down and learning how to macro. Can literally just A-move army after army into someone unless it’s turtle terran and win at those levels (That was more or less my strategy)
Yeah i don’t understand why pros don’t scv scout and than lose to 2 rax reaper hahaha, or proxy gate… Zerg has problem with scouting, drone scout is more expensive for them, but you can usually scout with ov for proxies and some zerg were doing 19 drone scout around bases, which is better than lose game and unless you are gm, this doesn’t affect you honestly in any way. I scout every game, when game starts i sent instantly scv out… And win many games because of it!
incorrect base mechanics > scouting, most people don’t even know wtf they’re looking at anyways. If you know how to macro you can literally just hold random all-ins in silver and gold without scouting, just with raw mechanics. Like just a week ago i went for a couple tanks early game with an expand and a bunch of marines randomly suicided into my base lol
O.o how is drone scout more expensive? You also have overlords like you said. In a majority of the pro games I’ve watched, the overlord generally finds the proxied barracks or warpgate in time and then defends it pretty easily with spine/zerglings/queens, or even just zerglings/queens.
Zerg lose drones when they make structures and larva is shared for making all units, which means their early game workers (before they get to 3 hatcheries) have a lot more cost tagged with them when they aren’t using them for mining.
Also Queens are really good for holding most all-ins, and the only all-in it can’t really hold is ling flood, which you can pull drones to fight off while making your own lings. The risk versus return makes it not a good deal to drone scout.
The reality is it’s fine to lose some games to rock-paper-scissors build and is probably better than gimping yourself the majority of the games scouting for stuff that never comes, which is why Reaper and Overlord scouts are most popular. Protoss is a bit different since the build order (including buildings) vary a lot based on what you scout so Protoss you definitely want to Gateway scout at the latest. Protoss also build workers the fastest with Chronoboost early game that they can afford to have 1 fewer probe mining.
Not true, unless you are gm, scout all games. It will save you a lot of mmr. In lower leagues people just all in. Just figure how to hold all ins and you get to masters quickly… It is not because zerg makes drones from structures. But because zerg economy grows exponentially, if you were mining last minute with drone, you could make another, which would mine another minute and than you could afford another, but if you scout, than first drone will be later, second one as well and so one and after like 10 minutes it scales. I even counted that once and Terran lose like 80 by scouting after couple minutes, while zerg like 300. Because that one drone will slow their whole economy so everything will be little bit late, still even in masters it is fine to drone scout. Only in top1masters/gm that matters, when timings are tight and builds have to be optimized to compete.
Um, I got to diamond one by only making marines. With no upgrades, just cc’s, supply depots, barracks, orbital command and marines. So yeah scouting is important, but making stuff is also important.
My guess is he instantly dies lol. Same thing for mass banelings. But I guess if the opponent doesn’t scout where he’s moving on the map he can snipe bases pretty easily
they can if you have 10 more marines with stim and combat shields
im saying this because i played vs exactly what you are describing, i went across the map with 2 tanks and 5 marines, and blew up my opponent who was going like 5 rax marine(a little timmy opponent on arcade)
With all your current knowledge about the game, but imagine starting from 0, would you advise playing a completely blind style?, to make people improve, give them little things to do, it’s not just the info they have from the scout, sending scout also helps improving the multitasking,learning enemy’s builds and map awareness,and to be honest, its a better and funner way to play and rank up because you are really learning, not just doing X cookie cutter safe build no scout and attack at X like the ones from bronze to master, in my opinion, learning the game is one of the best things about the game and playing it with no shortcuts.
there was a dude who went up to top master with pure marine no medivac,he started every game with two rax,expand, more raxes and push.