SC2 skill "action latency" & "actions per minute"

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@MaskedWords-1151

Nope. They are yours just applied to a different context. You say APM isn’t efficient because people can spam and spend APM inefficiently, so I pointed out that airplanes aren’t safe because you can purposely crash them into the ground.

I say APM matters just as much as the way which you spend it. Efficiency which is at least partly strategy related, and which is why the player with the highest APM doesn’t always win.

@MaskedWords-1151

An unrealistic hyperbole…

That’s no hyperbole, but direct ingame examples. Alphastar has played on the ladder, the insane AI is available to whoever can start a custom game. No hypothesis here, Alphastar is superior to the regular AI despite a lower APM cap, there is no denying it.

You can keep arguing if you want though.

@MaskedWords-1151

The only reason discussing the skill mechanics of SC2 is a controversial topic is because SC2 players are egotistical. So, pointing out that the majority of the skill in the game is how fast you can click obviously will rub them the wrong way because it violates their superiority complex. I think most SC2 players wouldn’t care, but the people on these forums definitely have some mental illness issues (narcissism for example) which is what makes them so sensitive to a topic about what SC2 skill actually is.

Well sorry to burst your bubble but SC2 is a game of fast clicking and that’s about it. If that makes you mad, you might want to talk to a therapist.

Why my bubble ? If SC2 players are conceited about something compared to MOBA or other type of strategy games, it’s precisely not about strategics, but about their APM. Never read players arguing how LoL could be played with 80 APM whereas SC2 could require 300 or 500 ?

I’m not among those. I’m low APM in fact, though the absence of spam makes the result lower than the opponent would suppose (at least they told me so).
If you check the post of my smurfs threads, there are screens of a 200+ APM player we’ll call “smurf OK” , super fast reacted. He was twice as fast as me, and playing at a level vastly inferior to his. So he got confident, and did not scout. Guess what ? Reacting in half a second instead of one, and boasting twice the APM of the opponent didn’t change the fact his reaper couldn’t give him the info before being produced and crossing the map. APM don’t change the fact a reaper scout will be later than an SCV one. And so, by the time he saw the problem, the marines were already at his ramp. He then made a second tactical mistake, and from there no matter the mechanical superiority, he still lost miserably. Tactics, my friend.

So yeah, past some point, APM can only do so much if you let yourself get placed into a tactical deadlock. No hyperbole either, just real ingame footage.

As for the psychiatric accusations, can’t you just debate normally ? We’re just sharing thoughts here, there’s no hot balance considerations, no one’s honor at stake. I didn’t even know who you were at the start of this debate, and I’m not particularly hostile to you. Why would your argumentations require ad hominem in the first place ?