Red flags of anti balance whiners

People who don’t balance whine are fine, but those anti-balance whiners scare me (legitimately). You know the ones I am talking about: they will lecture you about attitude if you even dare to use your eyes and see protoss is OP. You are the problem, according to them, if you notice the problem. Noticing a problem is a problem with your attitude, specifically your lack of discipline to endure the trials and focus on improving (according to them).

Imagine having such a raging ego that you think you can overcome game balance by wishing hard enough, because that’s what that is. You’re wishing your limits as a player magically change because you ignore problems. What on Earth kind of attitude is that. That’s not going to help you improve. Improvement requires problem solving and problem solving requires problem identification and problem #1 is that protoss is OP and there ain’t nothing you can do about it – no matter how much you improve, you will always be at a disadvantge in PvZ. Your own improvement will only make it worse, in fact: every time you improve you face harder protoss opponents (opponents who still have a leg up against you because they picked protoss).

Frankly I think this attitude is foolish and rooted in deep psychological trauma. It’s dumb to ignore the sources of your frustrations, dumb to be unrealistic about your abilities & game balance, dumb to be so egotistical to believe you can just wish your problems away by pretending they aren’t there, dumb to believe attitude is a magic wand that reshapes reality into whatever you imagine it is. Yeah, you keep banging your head against that brick wall and keep tellng yourself all those people not banging their heads into a wall just have an attitude problem. My man, it is you with an attitude problem. Stop hitting your head against a brick wall.

Blizzard is a business. They won’t care about protoss imba until they see a decline in viewership statistics. That’s the real problem: they care only about viewership for tournaments, not about YOUR gaming experience, and the best way to solve it is to walk away from it. That’s the proper solution to this problem.

To quote Joshua, the super AI that saves the world from nuclear war in WarGames, "The only winning move is to notplay’:

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how about not everyone obsesses about the balance like you and everyone is entitled to there opinion

Ah yes the chronically blind approach. Balance shoves itself in your face every PvZ and the only way to not notice is to be blind. The “Just say no to balance” approach is highly ineffective to say the least. Protoss will have its way with your gaming experience and people tend to notice when their gaming experience is degraded. I mean if you go on a 10 game losing streak and don’t notice, you might want to talk to your doctor and get some some prescription eye glasses.

Personally I am on week 5 of no starcraft. The longest I’ve not played was 13 months. Let’s see where the game’s viewership numbers are at in 13 months and reevaluate if Blizzard now cares about the gaming experience for the average player.

There are so many great games out there. Did you know Subnautica 2 is coming out soon? It’s gonna be great. Not a protoss in sight and no anti-whiners either!

bruh blizz dosent even update this game the updates come from some community blizz dosent care they decided this one game was done about 4 years ago also yeah lol I dont touch melee with a ten foot also subnautica 2? alright then bye come back any time ya here

It’s highly likely that the lack of updates are due to internal turmoil from the Microsoft acquisition, which will go down over time. They can’t develop games without ironing out the internal business structure and forming a plan for what to do with it. Also, after the balance counsel bungled this patch to such an extreme I’d say it’s highly likely Microsoft management will step in to fix it. Some tournaments are now 14 out of 16 protoss which is just bonkers. If you think they will let the esport powerhouse that is sc2 die, then you’re living on another planet. The only question is what exactly are they planning. Obviously they will turn to the community to get feedback on the game state. Giving feedback is an integral part of the development process. Without it, the developers don’t know what to do. The imbalance of protoss is the #1 obstacle to the game’s (and esports) health. Anyone who believes PvPvPvPvP every tournament will be good for esports needs a reality check. That will nose dive esports into the grave.

doubtful microsoft wont touch starcraft until they can make a new cashcow game from it
also they did and have let it die

Flagship game in the RTS genre. 5 million active players. Almost 300k hours viewed per month. Anyone who thinks they won’t capitalize on this is living on another planet.

They need to clean house for esports management and balance management because both of those have been severely mishandled in recent years. Esports people drove out personalities that brought in viewership, punished drama intead of rewarding it. Game designers deleted game ending moments, which made for the most epic esports clips, drove the game to repetitive stalemate games which are horrible for viewership. Fire them all and hire someone experienced in drama TV. Create drama in esports rather than killing it. Make the game wild and unpredictable instead of boring and repetitive. Boom, back to #1 esport on the planet.

The world needs to see nerds crying into their keyboards and punching their monitors and balance raging into the microphone in post game interviews with such intensity that Hupsaiya would blush. Then, capture every juicy second of drama on camera. The current management does the opposite. They basically cowtail to professional players to ease their anxiety. The game itself is nothing without the human component and robot esports managers have squashed any personality out of the sc2 pro scene. Balance designers have squashed any playstyle out of the game except robotic standard openers. Who knew that O C D middle management control freaks don’t make for good entertainment producers. Huh how about that.

Find somebody from hollywood experienced in drama tv. Let them be the producer of sc2 esports and nobody will ever say “dead game” again.

After Reynor throws a monitor out of a window, I want a post game interview disecting exactly what he was feeling in that moment. If he yells and screams, great, If he cries and thumps his chest with his arms, even better. Be sure to let some of the other pros see the interview live, and get their reactions.

Now you know how Ruff feels after the energy overcharge change nuked all of your builds.

There are literally 0 protosses that can do anything.

Until they stop matchfixing things and actually have protoss winning everything or have a protoss player who is 50% as skilled as clem, who, of course, would never lose anything, it’s completely pointless to watch pro play.

Watching maru or clem get paid to lose every game (instead of occasionally losing because matchfixing sometimes isn’t even enough) would be quite entertaining. The average plat terran who just gets auto-hyper-stomped every game would find it fun to see their experience FINALLY, AFTER SO MANY YEARS, ACTUALLY REFLECTED in pro play.

I’m a GM terran. If I go for an off-build to try and have fun and a diamond protoss goes for proxy gates, that’s an automatic loss. The matchup is not even comparable to the other 2 matchups. Protoss has every advantage.

Like how would you even explain protoss imba to people who don’t play SC2? People think something is OP if it meets a condition or OP if it counters a high number of things. But SC2 protoss? That’s a whole different level. Try this: They have every advantage at every point and the level of contrivance required for protoss to literally do anything but win with EASY, RISK-FREE aggression OR get to a late-game army that has practically zero counterplay if they have a bit of unit-diversity and know how to control their stuff, that automatically wins the game vs maru and clem, LET ALONE some platinum player.

I’ve mentioned this before but the game has turned into a level of cancer that hasn’t been known to man before. There has been no era before when smurfing in diamond resulted in multiple games in a row where some newbie is pulling 3-4 workers to harass your worker building the racks, which you (I mean me) counter and win afterwards. How have the low leagues devolved so hard?

The game is half dead, does it matter if things are balanced anymore? Not really. Too many funders pulled out. So W/E.

Seems like you were gm but now you are low diamond?

But yeah, anyways. Can we turn down the whining?

Heading back home after a month of bathroom building be like.

100 solutions tested in 4 weeks. Worst. Best. Difference between worst and best: 0.18 m/s outlet velocity vs 3.2. This is the third iteration, so the top 10 solutions from the previous iterations are seeded into the next iteration. The first iteration was 750 low resolution simulations to hone the general features (particle size: 3 mm). The second iteration was 200 medium resolution (2mm). This was 100 at high resolution (1mm). 235.2 kWh at 12 cents per kWh. 28.2 USD spent. Best employee ever. Bonus, best velocity per rotation.

A gradient descent algorithm like this could find the ideal parameters for a balanced game in no time. Don’t even tell players that it’s running. Just launch it and let it tune parameters until GM is balanced. It will automatically hone in on the changes needed for balance utopia by generating balance patches, assigning 100 random games to a patch, and measuring the correlation to winrate. It would do this for 100 balance patches and in total have 10000 games that define how each parameter impacts balance. Then it generates a balance patch that based on that data has the maximum probability of equalizing GM. It assigns 100 more games and if confirmed it’s pushed to the whole ladder. This happens automatically, without bias, and is dirt cheap to run. It takes zero effort from any design team or shadow-counsel of protoss loving baboons.

Honestly the perfect demonstration of how you would rather believe that my skill level dropped to mid diamond rather than accept protoss is overpowered. I’m laughing so hard at this comment.

Or are you just confused and don’t know smurfing is a thing? Or don’t know that people who quit the game have their accounts drop out of GM into masters?

The game is just terribly balanced.

3300 MMR is GM ?
Cool, glad to know that my 3500-3700 is like top 25 GM.
Why lying ? You are one of those terrans whiners who instead of practicing prefer to cry every day. I guess your typical game is when you are playing passively for 7 mins sitting in your base doing nothing and then toss just curb stomps you. If that’s the case then you are playing wrong. Beating protoss relies on aggression early on. Open double gas factory expand and hit them with cyclone-medivac and bunch of marines followed by siege tank and liberator. Most protosses have no clue how to defend this.

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In physics, I had a professor who would mark answers wrong even when they were right. He said to show my work. I showed my work, and he still marked them wrong. Why? He couldn’t follow the logic of the calculations and so he assumed I was scribbling in nonsense.

I had the same issue with SC2 for years. I told people I was high gm for years and years. People always said I was lying. I am currently 5242 mmr. Other 6k gms like Snake, who peaked at 6100, are 5163. MMR got remapped and so now 5200 is top 50 which is where 6k used to map too back in hots and wol. People here would see me say weird things like you win by burrowing swarm hosts in the terran’s main and they think there is no way this guy is GM. Then I did it on stream and proved it and they were like holy cow I didn’t you know you could even win that way. Yeah welcome to the story of my life. Unconventional problem solving to such an extreme degree that people think you win through magic.

People are procedural problem solvers. They don’t understand the problem, they just follow a procedure they were taught in school. It’s the same in sc2. They don’t understand the game, they are just following a build order and collecting wins. Probably 80% of grandmaster is in this category, and 100% of pro players in this category. They don’t understand why they win, they just tweak builds until they do. Sure, they make some basic optimizations like hitting a timing 2 seconds faster or whatever. But as to the grander strategy and the real nitty gritty internals they have no clue what’s going on. Then some guy on the internet says yeah man just beat 6k GMs by burrowing swarmhosts in their main base and they think yeah no way this guy is GM let alone top 50 GM. Not only am I top 50, but I play like once a month so mmr gained per time invested has to be astronomical compared to other GMs.

So anyway there is a book called “The Name of The Rose” which perfectly captures how mankind thinks and how society operates on a very fundamental level. It’s a story about a monk who studied the works of Socrates. This monk is brought into a monastery in a remote village 1300’s to figure out how people are dying. They are being murdered, but everyone is convinced the devil is killing people and they are starting to panic. He’s a logical thinker surrounded mystical thinkers who use superstition to explain everything. S P O I L E R A L E R T it turns out that a monk is having a gay affair. The gay monk is convinced a book turned him gay, and so he’s frantically going around looking for the missing book and killing anyone who finds out about the book, thinking they will find out about his sins. In the process, there is a greater villain lurking in the shadows – the abbot has an entire library of forbidden books, and he is worried that someone might find out about it and that the Inquisitor (religious zealots who go around burning books and burning anyone they deem a “witch”) might fight out about the books. So the abbot is the real villain and the gay monk is just an agitator. The Socrates-monk is true neutral – he’s just trying to figure out what’s going and doesn’t have any allegiances. He’s enthralled by the mystery and wants to figure it out. The abbot percieves him as an extreme threat because he’s smart enough to figure out what’s going on and he’s smart enough to manipulate public perception and that gives him the power to destabilize the social order of their monastery and the localized government. He ends up doing exactly that, and the entire monastery burns down.

So anyway it’s a book about how mankind is a fundamentally superstitious creature that uses nothing but mystical thinking. A small minority of rational thinkers use the superstition to create social order through religious codes and moral imperatives that to a logical thinker are absurd but are crafted like patchwork to create social order that kinda works. There is no right and wrong but only agendas clashing for power to implement their goals with political games played to manipulate the ignorant masses for that power.

Well, that’s SC2 in a nutshell. Nobody understands how the game works except a small minority of elites. This minority of elites battle on youtube and twitch to control the mystical thinking of the public. The public is totally unequipped to understand anything about the game; even the most simple things are always explained using superstitious reasoning (in the same way the monks blamed the devil for the murders, the sc2 population blames the balance counsel for Protoss being unable to win a premier). This same system is extremely sensitive to rogue logical thinkers because they understand SC2 and they understand politics and that makes them a threat to the social order of SC2. So when you beat 6k gms on stream by burrowing swarm hosts in their main, the elite class of SC2 has a collective aneurysm because there is an outsider showing to the public that everything they thought about the game was wrong. Yeah, turns out that SC2 pros aren’t actually good at Starcraft – they are just fast at clicking. Wanna know why SC2 esports is so boring and dying? It’s because you let these guys reduce the game down to APM spam and they are terrified of the possibility that the game is redesigned around strategy because they will go from hero to zero in the blink of an eye the moment that happens. Their esports career will be over because they won’t be able to get into GM if they can’t spam APM to get there, let alone compete in tournaments.

This is the fundamental reason they have always been so intensely hostile towards me. They want control over the game so that they can ensure the security of their esports career. An outsider who isn’t financially invested in the same system and yet who has a better understanding of that system than they do is DEFCON-1, code red, to their brain. Literally the only advantage they have is that they are already entrenched in esports. So they leverage their twitch and youtube to harass you because it’s their only advantage. And so that’s how you end up with coordinated harassment campaigns. I’d play a random guy on the ladder and suddenly CrusaderKing is harassing me on the forums in a way that is highly specific to that game. Oh, right, turns out he’s a buddy of a streamer who hates my guts and that random guy I played on the ladder was actually a streamer. Go figure. It all makes sense now.

The moment that Gumiho, sOs, and Rogue are the GOATs of each race, sc2 esports will be saved. As long as it’s standard terran doing the same hellion banshee into 8 rax marine parade pushes, like have been done on repeat for millions of games, esports is doomed. We need sOs using a proxy nexus to recall dts into his opponent’s main. We need Gumiho and his mass battlecruisers. We need Rogue and his clever 2 base allins. When decision-making decides who wins and who loses, the game will be saved, but as long as spamming apm faster than the other apm spammer is the mode of winning, esports will be over. APM spam creates the most boring games imaginable with zero variability and zero volatility. Strategical games are complicated with high volatility. Every game will be different, every viewer will be on the edge of their seat. We will see 1 base plays and 7 base plays and everything in between. We will see weird unit comps like marauder viking and we swarm host mutalisk. Yep, I’ve been beating 6k gms in zvz with mutalisk swarm host nydus. Super interesting games because the mutalisks spot for the nydus, kill overseers, and protect the burrowed swarm hosts by preventing overseers from seeing them. Nah bro we need to see roach v roach headbutting in the middle of the map for the 10000000000000000th game in a row. Give me a break. Stop listening to these morons. They are killing the game. So the best sc2 player is the guy who can squeeze out 2 more roaches for the same roach headbutt timing, and this is supposed to be interesting? Not a chance my man. That’s the opposite of interesting.

Oh by the way, in this analogy, the moderators are the inquisitors, since they enforce the purity of the system by burning books which in this case is the removal of posts. That’s how you end up with websites like Reddit which are so ideologically captured it’s indistinguishable from hard core religious indoctrination. The Inquisitors remove all their adversaries and burn the books, which causes group-think. The group think becomes self referential as people compete to be the most pure, and the system eventually colapses because eventually nobody will be pure enough. A good example of this is how Musk is now a natsee according to reddit except even the ADL won’t join in that narrative. So now the ADL, which was some of the most pure of the woke religion are now not pure enough for the wokesters. Religious indoctrination governs websites like reddit through Inquisitor style book burnings. That’s why this book is such a good analogy for understanding internet social systems. It’s the same exact psychology and mechanisms at work. It’s 2025 and mankind is has developed technologically quite a bit since the 1300’s, however, basically nothing has changed in terms of social development in probably thousands of years. Mankind is perpetually stuck in rut when it comes to social development.

You think an actual GM would lose to a d3 because of Balance ? Wtf ? Hahahahahaha

Ladder talent continues to degrade. I haven’t played in a month, both hands and wrists are injured, and yet clapped a gm terran ez pz first game back. Is this what the grandmaster has come to? “Ah man he isn’t doing a standard build so I guess I die!” said the apm spammer!

Shane Gillis the comedian is now commenting on the Musk video game debacle. He makes a joke that once you are a certain age, you can’t “video game lie” anymore, and that “video game lying” at musk’s age is weird, adding the comment of “why do it.” I think Musk understands what a lot of people do in that video games have the ability to bridge across cultures in a way that nothing else can. Video games are an insanely powerful marketing tool that has made people like Asmongold incalculable wealth. Musk is a marketing man, that’s what he does. You know, people cry that musk didn’t actually invent this or that and it’s like no way you don’t say. He’s not Steve Wozniak, he’s Steve Jobs. He never was the guy to invent this or that, he’s the guy who makes people want to buy this or that. It’s obvious why he wants to tap into video games.

I suspect he isn’t very good at video games and he misread the situation. His entrance into the video game scene would’ve been much more successful if he had entered it as sort of an exploratory thing. He’s not entering as an expert but as a noob. People would hop on saying OMG musk is playing Starcraft and in the meantime Musk would do his marketing thing where he gets people to buy teslas or whatever. Ironically, most gamers would’ve identified with this because most gamers are bad at games, so they’d connect with his struggle and frustration. He probably noticed that people who are good at games tend to get more attention and thought if he wants to use video games for marketing then he needs to be good at a game. So he picks a game and finds a booster and the rest is history.

I think EWC is happening because people in the middle east have recognized the potential for video games to bridge borders in a way that nothing else can. In particular it’s a way for the agitator class of society (economically frustrated young men) to blow off steam without causing real problems. So it solves two big social problems at the same time, assuming of course the video games don’t take up so much time that these young men never get educated and never enter the workforce. They are obviously playing nation-builder here and see potential in video games to do something big and on a worldwide stage. I suspect Musk sees something similar there.

The real victory would be to make video games teach real world skills. They obviously train hand eye coordination and neural plasticity. These skills are useful for trade jobs because things like welding and carpentry are obviously hand eye coordination. Training skills would require predicting market needs for skills and then implementing games fast enough to match the trends and that’s probably not practical. What makes video games popular is what is most mentally stimulating. It’s the same reason erotic entertainment is so popular. It’s highly stimulating to the brain. The brain seeks out stimulation and different things provide stimulation for different people. Young men for example find high motion games stimulating whereas women tend to play word games like Scrabble and Wordle. So the video game market is controlled by the neurology and psychology of the population and what their brains find stimulating. Adapting that stimulation to train real world skills would be the mother-load for nation-building.

I am so glad you were touched in the way you were. The fact that a mind feels the need to weaponize it’s ignorance this badly is amazing.

Oops, I’m shattering your OBVIOUSLY TRUE reality with one screenshot. Because we all know that my screenshot magic is cheating and I’m just 3.7K. I must have gotten GM by accident or something.

Anything to cure your own feelings of complete intellectual and gameplay inadequacy XDDDDDDD

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You will not only never be remotely as good at the game as me, which is what you’re currently fantasizing about, you will never be able to get a one-up on your superior in any kind of an argument, ever. How do you feel?

How do you feel? Answer.

Literally happened on supernova’s stream. I genuinely hope, from the bottom of my heart, that you pretend to yourself you can’t figure out that you need to put a dot in the link I sent, so that your delusions of me not being a GM never get shattered. I genuinely hope you live out your utter ignorance over and over for the rest of your life.

I genuinely hope you keep convincing yourself that me losing to a diamond protoss isn’t explained by balance, but that, instead, the obviously true explanation is that me being a GM is just an advanced visual hallucination created by satan or by artificial intelligence or something.

If you were able to convince someone on this forum that you have it harder than players who chose other races, would it solve anything? People really work hard for validate their ladder frustrations here but has the balance whining accomplished anything?