Ravagers are OP

Facts here, if they are used rather than hydras it says a lot about ravagers beeing too good in every matchup, no armor tag, more HP same range, siege capabilities, doesn’t need range upgrade + speed to be viable, available from T1

Overall better than hydras, nerf it they are too good right now we see them in every matchup without any consequences for the zerg.

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Facts here, if they are used rather than marauders it says a lot about marines beeing too good in every matchup, no armor tag, more HP same range, siege capabilities, doesn’t need range upgrade + speed to be viable, available from T1

Overall better than marauders, nerf it they are too good right now we see them in every matchup without any consequences for the terran.

marines havent more hp tham marauders
havent same range
no siege capabailities

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maybe they are used over hydras because hydras are too weak/too expensive in current meta? :wink:

Nah, because ravagers are OP. Hydras were pretty much untouched all this time except the -5HP in 2018, yet we see ravagers dominating because they are much much much better in every situations.

and when did we see ravagers get touched? so why should they be op, when no recent changes were made? makes no sense.

Because Zerg just now realize how much better they are ? Like it took them years to realize infestors / BL were OP in WOL ? Like it took them years to figure out swarmhosts are broken in HOTS ?

It takes time for the race that doesn’t need to think much but build units, a click and win games to GM. Just saying, When roach ravager banes is the solution to anything a toss / terran throws at you there’s something wrong in the game.

Ah yes. Mass BC and mass carriers often lose to ravagers. You’re just salty.

I mean once you get to this point Zerg just has winfestors BL on the way

yeah and then you get to play the best part of the game: late game. That’s awesome.

Ravagers aren’t very good at killing medivacs.

Hey Honk wanna play some 1v1’s :3?

Sure, I’ll get on now.

that op bl infestor meta took time to discover, because in wol, zerg was HEAVILY underpowered in the beginning. first time, zerg could discover things like lategame was when the maps got better (bigger). i still laugh, when i remember steppes of war.

it didnt took zerg years to figure out that sh nydus meta. it was “introduced” when blizz decided to lower to cost of nydus worms. either youre lying on purpose, or you just dont know what youre talking about.

its funny, because zerg is the least represented race in gm. so what makes you think, that zerg is build units a click and win games to gm? seems like its the complete opposite. at the same time, toss is the most represented race in gm. whats the reason for this? :wink:

let me get this straight. you complain, that roach rav bane is the answer to “everything” a toss/terran can throw at the zerg. why dont you complain about marine marauder medivac being the answer to everything for terran? little bias detected i guess.

They also cost 100 gas, 3 supply, and are neither very tanky, nor do they output much DPS.

Who needs hydras to kill medivacs when you have queens that do a great job at denying medivacs ?

Because straight up MMM doesn’t kill anything in the game, it doesn’t kill its supposed counter, there’s storm you don’t have ghosts ? Oh well guess I’ll die, you don’t have vikings against collosus ? Guess I’ll die, no tanks vs ling banes ravagers roaches ? Guess I’ll die.

And yeah there’s more protoss because protoss is the unforgiving race, once you get good at it it scales very well, however can you tell me why Protoss is under represented in dia / master ? Because it takes a lot of skill to get to those level as protoss while as zerg it doesn’t, and they are over represented.

Yet, they are so easily massable because they come from roaches, rarely die because they are fast, have biles to deny chasing. There’s a real reason they are built and hydras aren’t, they are better than hydras in every way because no armor tag with more HP, siege capabilities, siege tanks don’t do well versus ravagers nor do immortals do well versus ravagers.

what, straight up mmm doesnt kill anything? are you serious? o0 you remember that bomber style? straight up mmm into gg. roach rav bane is strong, until the toss has storm. then its getting weak really fast.

ah, so you say, that toss is harder to play than zerg, because its unforgiving and thats the reason, why there are more toss players than terran or zerg players in gm. makes sense… not. so in your world of logic, every toss is just better than the terran/zerg. got it.

well, its underrepresented in master and dia, because every toss (who is decent) is in gm… lol. and the toss players, who dont know how to use sim city or ff against roach rav bane are in plat.

but nice, now we get to the core of your problem. you dont want to whine about a single unit (ravager), youre salty about the whole zerg race itself.

easily massable? but you know, that theyre REALLY expensive, right? seems not the case. they are favoured over hydras because hydras are far to weak for how late they are available in the game. by the time you have hydras (which also need TWO upgrades to be not trash), the toss has allrdy storm out, which makes them a lot weaker.

just stop plz. you dont know anything about what youre talking.

Is that why I’m GM and you are not ?

Well, why do we see 30+ of them in games ? Mind telling me ? Why don’t we see 30+ immortals being massed ? Because THOSE are expensive AND need a tech building that costs 150/100 to be built and take a long time to be built, cannot say the same for Zerg.

Btw I’d love to see those protoss with storm at 6mn into the game without actually rushing it, thus leaving them dead to any Zerg play :slight_smile: