^ the arguments on these forums in a nutshell. When there is enough data to pick through, you can find any pattern you want (which is known as Ramsey theory). The only pattern that is meaningful, however, is the average.
How do Protoss do on average? They are twice as likely to be promoted to GM as zerg and have the highest average win-rates in GM, Masters 1, 2, and 3.
Protoss needs to be nerfed and, no, I don’t care if Protoss hasn’t won a Code S in X years or any other random pattern PPP trolls find to claim Protoss is underpowered.
just look at the premier tournament wins bro, bro please look, even the homestory cups bro please, you don’t understand bro i just want balance, please the premier tournaments bro just
Goba at any second: We have identified a pattern in how Protoss performs in premier tournaments. It is proof Protoss is underpowered, but we have not ruled out the possibility of extraterrestrial help.
This guy is diamond trash just so everyone knows! It is okay to be diamond, but this guy thinks like he knows everything best, because he is diamond HAHAHA
Dude you realize that at the top there is not equal skill representation? There are barely any players left, name me number of top tier protosses on EU. That’s right only Showtime, which is barely S and can’t beat Reynor, Clem, Serral consistently!
In GSL, there weren’t even Protosses in top ten and Trap was decent like S, while Stats more like A, be he recently improved and parting was something like S-A. That’s still nothing comparing to Maru,Ty, Inno, Rogue and what not. Also Zerg is OP against Protoss on high level, even you get advantage in PvT! But PvZ was worst matchup in the for sure, sometimes still is. On SH abuse maps tos can only all in and hope for the best! But if it is a big map, you need to play it out and all in when he gets swarmhosts, which is still difficult to beat at that point!
So stop using this logical fallacy, that protoss players are not wining tournaments!!!
Not to mention that balance at top level is completely irrelevant for 99.99% population, even in low-mid gm… I am beating +700 mmr players with 5k protoss offrace daily and it feels much easier than 5300 terran! Tos eco is totally broken, yet protoss is easy to play, if you kill workers you are winning… Don’t need any skill, just one prism into main and zealot runbys…
Is batz having a tough time at University (University in NA hahahahaha laughs in european) and projects the topics at sc2 ?
Or does he run through wiki and looks up Big words so he can feel important ?
News flash: sc2 has always been balanced around pro scene almost exclusively. So yes protoss Pros underperforming is not a Good Sign for blizzard hence the buffs. Yes blizzard doesnt do always useful stuff thats correct. Like how the purposely borked the balance in 2019. But still it doesnt matter how many Arguments You pull out of Your six. Blizzard CARES about top Level Play. Wether You like it or not. Wether it makes sense or not. They do it anyway. Sry to burst your bubble but facts dont care about feelings
Balance around the pro scene, not balance around the fact that 5 players are dominant as z and t. There are more players than Maru or Serral.
Look at BW. They made an anti terran map pool for ASL a few seasons ago and FlaSh STILL absolutely annihilated his competitors. Meanwhile there are no other Terrans winning ASL because they get eliminated by P or Z immediately.
Yeah that’s actually good argument. And there aren’t even that many pros, there isn’t equal skill representation at the top, so you can’t take win rates at the top for direct measure of the balance!!!
They gave banes free combat shields, only because Byun was too good at sniping banelings. They were always nerfing, after some tournament. Or because Byun won blizzcon abusing 2-3 rax reaper, they instantly nerfed it! While they didn’t see problem with it like for over a year LMAO! If it is Terran, they will nerf it instantly in most cases, other races can have most OP BS and it stays in game forever…
Game is not really balanced even at pro level, look at swarmhosts. On larger maps, where 2 base all ins are not viable, or if zerg survives and game goes longer, he can abuse nydus+sh to which protoss has no counter and get literally free win!!! How is that balanced? Also PvZ was imbalanced at the top longest time. Hence no protoss players won tournaments (when there were more players) because zerg was most OP and zerg is favored against protoss by design…
If it happens it’s only because Blizz has no idea what they’re doing and they’re just catering to whiners. Protoss has been overperforming for a looooong time.
Leave it up to the delusional TCF to continue mentioning the GM ladder despite how many cases people have made in explaining why it’s not a good source for balance discussion. If anything, Terran whining needs to be nerfed. At this point, if you guys insist on me explaining it AGAIN, I can do so. But I’m worried that you guys will keep using the GM ladder anyway as that’s just how you guys are: you get debunked, proven wrong, but you still use that information anyway. And so I’d rather not waste my breath
Developers barely talk with pros, it’s funny people thinking they are reading every post and balancing the game around the forum ideas. If they want feedback from community they will take some look at reddit or TL and will get feedback from around 20 pro players and casters but I doubt that is something that happens often. Many whinners live in a bubble and when they see changes the don’t like,blame devs for not listening, they listen…but not to the forum whinners.
Ladder numbers aren’t as irrelevant as you think. The overall number is meaningless but the changes in representation after patches is an indicator balance is changing.
Sorry kid this is plain false. Blizzard has stated they balance around the ladder on innumerable occasions. The best example was when they nerfed Protoss despite Terran winning every Code S during the year. They stated “We do not believe it [Maru winning code s] represents balance of the game as a whole.”
If the game is unplayable for 99.999% of players, that somehow isn’t a problem as long as Serral wins a tournament? Reality check: Ladder balance is the ONLY thing that is relevant.
Per Aligulac, which was created by a PhD mathematician:
Note that this [pro games] yields information about metagame balance near the top of the skill ladder, and is not to be confused with (although likely correlated to) actual game balance throughout the whole player population.
This is how BaZ and TCF “win” their arguments. Their repeat “ad nauseum” their BS no mater how many times it is debunked.
They like broken records repeat just the same.
With time, people that value their time tend to withdraw and deal with something more meaningful or important.
TCF&BatZ : we won we won…
