Protoss, as the most blinded race in the game, requires cannon or observer or Oracle to defend against widow mines with the recent change.
Thanks to this change, it has increased the difficulty of us Protoss going twilight first. This has actually ruined my build for quick blink, because Terran player just blindly go Widow mines.
Now, Protoss has less options.
Can we Protoss have at least observer speed reverted to what it once was? Considering now missplaced observers will take a long time back to the base, and thus result in the fact that more mining time is lost? I mean, it’s not like killing 6-12 probe with 2 widow mines is enough damage, of course not, we know Protoss is so imba right?
Thanks TCF.
Extra thanks to:
CheeseTown.
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Scout > build counter > defend terran lame push > win!
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Proxy > … > Kill 8 probes > Take away 40 seconds of mining time > Eventually win!
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PvT is still broken and still favored toss. you can still go twilight if you wanted to. nothing is stopping you. from getting blink and a robo with an observer by the time mines come. cloak mines changed absolutely nothing in the match up. toss still curb stomps terran.
the only thing mines did was make toss cautious about going out. They are still going for super fast 3rd and still sitting in front of terran base while terran has to fight out and they go up to 5 bases unabetted.
The band-aid cloak mines was a joke.
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Of course, keep on limiting Protoss’s option.
You want to know why Protoss feels so bad to play against and that they all play the same way? Because people like you keep on making blizzard nerf all Protoss’s option.
What does this results in?
Protoss option becomes limited ever so slightly until it becomes the slugfest it is now.
I thought I was happy Parting brought back blink stalker opener, but now, Terran can blind counter with proxy what-cha-call-it, and bam, you lose 40 seconds of mining time.
You want to know why the average Protoss player is better than you? Because Protoss player repeat the same thing over and over and over and over again, why? THERE IS NO OPTION.
Protoss have plenty of options. Its just that the stalker opener into I.A.C. which is icing on the cake in the match up. Why stay on blink stalkers when I.A.C. hard counters everything accept BCs and if terran goes BCs just go back into stalkers.
There is absolutely nothing terran can do to win the game in the 1st 5 mins where toss has it bread and butter opener to take a controlling lead going into the mid to late game…
Do tell me, what option does Protoss have?
I’ll help you:
Proxy DT’s (all-in)
Blink Stalker (Now becomes too risky)
Chargelot all-in (Dead since charge rework)
Colossus (Good against bio)
Stargate (Who goes stargate against Terran)
Please, just add some more other than the one I put here.
Should be easy if Protoss has so many option right?
Compared to Terran:
1/1 Push
1 attack push with tank
widow mine drops
bio drops
3 hellion harass (Works better against Zerg, but still an option)
proxy 2 rax
proxy 3 rax (All in)
2 rax reaper from base (Harass heavy opening)
1/1/1 (very solid Terran opener, generalized against P and Z)
And I haven’t even touched Mech Terran choices yet.
None of those openers that terran has is game endiing and some of them build order losses or auto loses if failed at worst and will be far behind at best if they some how works.
Most of those openers terran has get shut down. Where chargelot all in is still a thing and still works the only opener that you don’t see often is stargate. then again a surprise oracle here and there can end the game as well.
This match is stupid. Terran doesn’t have many options. its trash.
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???
Of course it’s not, it’s an opening.
This is an RTS, not a gambling game.
I love the point you didn’t point out which one of the list I put was a build order lost.
Which one?
Lmao, have you ever seen a chargelot all in in the last year?
Jesus, you’re dumb.
That, or you are a troll.
Maybe both.
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I think both of you should seriously switch to AOE 2. From what I see, playing sc2 makes you give in to unnecessary rage, anger and toxic.
I fully agree with the OP.
I think the observer nerf in the old patch coupled with the widow mine cloak buff is a little too much.
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i love your logic you look at your games and think this applies to top players too.
StayAtHomestory Cup, atm:
PvT: 41.4 for you TvP: 58.6
ZvP: 55.2
just by the numbers in this tournament stand tossed not good there.
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The chargelot all-in does work vs mine play still. It is basically an auto win. I am sculpting a build to take advantage of this right now so that when I see them going mines, I will switch into the chargelot all in.
My PvT is 40% so far. I wouldn’t be surprised if I ended the season at 30%. it wouldn’t be the first time that happened.
Everyone has bad matchups, doesn’t mean the matchup is unfair. My ZvP is terrible, doesn’t mean Toss is imba.
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That’s too bad, but it’s your worst match up. Blizzard don´t says “look at that CheeseTown 40% TvP, sh*t we gotta do something about that match up that’s unplayable”.
I’ve had 30% ZvT or 40% ZvP, but Blizzard hasn’t changed anything.
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Normally I would agree with you. I always say that 1% being able to do something is not a success rate. it is the exact opposite.
However, PvT is just not my worst match up but all the way up to GM/PRO is just about every terrans worst match up. Is it L2P for the as well or get gud.
From what I understand PvZ is P worst match up consistently or at least the past few years. There is clearly something fundamentally wrong with these match ups. I can’t put my finger on it. We all have a million things to point at but they are just wrong.
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The only thing broken is your bed side clock. You are way past your bed time
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PVT is the easiest/most difficult match up in the game respectively. That being said, my style is doubtless even further hampered by the match up, specifically, and add to it, tilt when I play it.
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Pvt terran fave toss just need kill spam free limits on rax t1 army 20 minutes in end steamroll win or get protossed