Protoss representation in Masters

https://i.imgur.com/zEl9Crw.png

Notice the trend: Protoss has been over-buffed (massively). PvZ was ironically perfectly balanced around early 2019, which is when PPP were losing their minds that infested terrans were in the game (the crux of Zerg’s late game vs protoss).

What’s even more interesting is the adverse effect balance is having on how often players actually play the game. Protoss in masters 2 have currently played an average of 147 games each. Zergs have played an average of 90.5. Protoss are playing 62% more games than Zergs are in masters 2.

When is the yearly redesign going to happen? Protoss is literally killing the game.

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Anyone who claims Protoss has been continually nerfed is plain wrong (hint: dodo bird). Protoss have been enormously buffed the past several years. The rank history of Masters/GM/etc prove it beyond doubt.

There have been a few small nerfs but overall the net balance changes have been enormous buffs to Protoss.

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PPP were losing their minds that infested terrans were in the game

Both Protoss and Terran players complained a lot about IT because the infestor won games by itself, and the IT rockets were trading energy to wipe out absurd amounts of higher tech units or chunks of army which cost ore and gas. Everyone sensible rejoiced when 1 of the 3 options of extra unit generation which cost neither ore nor gas was removed from Zerg. Lots of salty Z abusers though.

Protoss in masters 2 have currently played an average of 147 games each. Zergs have played an average of 90.5. Protoss are playing 62% more games than Zergs are in masters 2.

So what you’re saying is Zerg players need to stop feeling entitled to win for free all the time like they used to and ‘git gud’ by putting in at least a comparable amount of games to Protoss players.

Protoss is literally killing the game.

lol

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That would be manageable from the Protoss side if FB were left alone. Infestors had a low HP/Energy ratio and with the normal FB they were kept under control and made mass-Infestors a very risky proposition for Zerg (helped with the Viper also).
IT exploded simply because their killer was “killed”.
I would love to have the olf FB back (provided that the Range were reverted -nerffed to -1).
Terrans with Uber-EMP should have no issues with old IT.

:man_facepalming: :man_facepalming: :man_facepalming:

It’s precisely of this BS that Lowko has a great day with Flatearthers.
Keep destroying your reputation (what’s left of it) with your own hands. Sometimes i think that You and Flack are the same person…

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What exactly does snipe and emp do, then?

That statement is in clear contradiction to the presented evidence. 2019 had an equal Zerg/Protoss representation and that doesn’t happen without equal win-rates.

Do you see the 315 protoss in GM? Do you see the massive spike in protoss representation in Masters? Do you see the Zerg players are quitting the game? That’s on the crazies like you who have insane double standards against Zerg. Infested terrans melting a skytoss army is bad despite equal win-rates, but snipe melting a maxed army of ultras is ok despite Zerg clearly struggling? Your mindset is the exact reason why SC2 is a dead game.

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I’m a Zerg in Masters 2, the range you guys are talking about, and I have a couple Zerg friends that are about the same level as me. All of us are saying basically the same stuff.

Brood Lords are not a viable unit, and to build them means to throw away any lead or advantage you have, same for Ultralisks. So, those are our T3 attacking units out the window leaving Vipers as the only viable T3.

Infestors are a total joke, and the amount of luck required to actually land a spell before the unit gets feedbacked or EMP’d is just ridiculous. A good player will never let an Infestor, or Viper for that matter, cast anything, making our spellcasters nearly useless.

Why can’t an infestor come with burrow? Why can’t blinding cloud stop units from casting spells underneath it? Why are Terran and Protoss spells rewarded for landing, but Zerg spells aren’t? All rhetorical questions. The answer is obviously anti-Zerg bias in the balance team. There’s no other explanation.

Also, Protoss chrono boost is far too strong. You almost can’t even hurt a Protoss’s economy or barely keep up with their non-stop mindless probe spam. Plus, shield batteries are just a total joke. It reminds me of the photon overcharge days where you just know your attack is going to do nothing, so why even bother to attack… Ever?

Also, the fact that they removed Infested Terran, a core unit that has been in the game since Wings, is a tragedy. They could have just removed the rockets, gave them back the machine gun, reduced the dps by a little bit, and kept the infested terran in the game, but that’s just not how the game works. If it’s Zerg, nerf it into the dirt.

Oh well, I’m sure more Protoss buffs are coming though, and more nerfs to Zerg because that’s just the way the game is. It will be nice when they finally put a bullet in Zerg and hammer the final nail into the coffin.

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Why does dodo bird. Spam hurricanes of nonsense. For every batz thread he see? It is way of dodobird…

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Entitlement to win 50% of zvp games? :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

It is great crime against humanity… wanting game of fair design! :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

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Give us the full FB and take-back the IT.
Deal?
Also, after the speed&acceleration nerff to Tempest the +1 Range for Thor is not warranted.
It just caused more troubles in TvZ (BL).

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Give you the full Feedback, and then we can have the Infested Terran? lol

I mean, the way the game’s balance goes, I’m sure you’ll be getting your full feedback rebuff soon anyways, and Zerg will get nothing.

That’s how it feels to play this game as a Zerg player over the last 5 patches. Repeated buffs to other races, while our race shrivels into nothing.

I’m so excited for the next patch when they nerf Vipers and Lurkers so I can quit playing this game forever.

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You’ve completely lost it and are not even worth engaging in conversation at this point

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Translation: The evidence is overwhelming, I have no counter argument, but I still don’t want to admit that you were right. Rather, I will virtue signal how it’s not worth my time to engage, by spending time to engage, just so that I can insult you personally for the great crime of beating me in an argument before the argument has even begun.

PPP logic in a nutshell.

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TCF logic (or whatever you are, clearly you are a different breed even among the regular whiners): whines about a particular thing related to Protoss

Normal person: shows it’s not true

Special human being: whines about same thing louder

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Don’t dignify the clown with a replay and even with 10 seconds of your time.
It’s not worth it.

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Look Sir Goba Atkinson trying to educate the TCF in arithmetic and logic.

For a “ded gaem” ZtAbhEt sure does complain about it a lot.

I mean, I agree that there’s something wrong when Protoss are over represented, but this guy has a few screws loose to say the least. How many of the same thread can you make before its a psychological issue that hasn’t been adequately taken care of?

Just saying. :man_shrugging:t3:

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I like protoss because of how they evaporate with my widowmines :smiley:

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You forgot the part in which Blord-infestor wrecked any T composition and infestors spaming IT that destroyed PF with no cost, that’s why the broodlord was wrongly nerfed, the composition was so broken the devs nerfed everything about it, when the main problem was free infested terran spam.

They said long ago that no more yearly redesign, that was just a one-two time thing,after that, only changes when needed. We shouldn’t expect big changes, accept it, this year is probably the last year we will see any ‘‘big’’ change. The amount of post you make about the topic won’t change anything.

Notice the trend, P is now at the same level T was, meaning T was overbuffed from the start.

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If protoss ever starts dominating as hard as zerg did in 2018 and 2019 it is indeed room for concern, but now looking at only the ladder stats it seems fine.

Edit: the numbers are wrong, see replies for correct numbers.

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… why are you looking at the continuous trend? Shouldn’t you analyzing closely to the bump in the middle of 2020? Just saying.

+ wait a minute, I didn’t realize P in master was so under-represented. Shouldn’t them now being closed to 33.3% a good sign?

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