If you are below master you don’t know anything about the game otherwise you could be atleast low master despite the bad balance. So if you aren’t master then first look at your own mistakes and please atleast let the better players decide how we should balance the game. I know there will be some people that will say “LOL MASTER LAGUE u think u good GeT oUt buddy and l2p cuz master is nowhere near tournament” but actually if you are master you have some knowledge about the game unlike platinubs for example. In platinum you can do anything to win - yes literally anything. I played a random and got into diamond 1 without a real knowledge (except basics) of 2 of the 3 races. In master you need some gameplan, good scout, a bit of micro etc, etc. so you know something about the game and you can give your opinions about the balance. Threads like “hey ho hey ho im noob so battle cruiser has to go” from a platinub player are just lame and attacts low players that doesn’t have any knowledge about the game that thumbs up it. Then balance team roll a dice, hit the mice and do some weird unknown stuff to the balance and destroys it. I don’t get it. Are you happy with current balance that 80% of the games above diamond are VS zerg? Oh, yes you are because you play zerg. In late HOTS we had almost perfect balanced game and somehow they managed to ruin it by bringing weird units to LOTV and then balancing them in the totally wrong way (example: liberators nerf to the ground [they was supposed to counter mutalisks but now they die even vs mutas especially when they are magicboxed], and ultralisks (they was supposed to have ANY COUNTER I GUESS and now they are strong vs everything on the ground and they are especially the IMMORTAL BIO KILLER, there are many units that just can’t break through their armor and upgrades doesn’t matter - it’s just hilarious it’s hard counter to everything on the ground). There should be a option to forum to show the RANK BORDER SO WE COULD SEE WHO IS PLATINUB AND WHO IS A REAL MASTER so we could ignore platinubs and listen to the suggestions from a real good players - it still would have some stupid balance suggestions (because zerg is majority on the top) but hey, master > platinub still.
do you have a butthurt because you have no life?
Fine, I’m below master and I have no right to judge balance.
But as a viewer, I have to say current balance hurts viewing experience by a lot. The games are much less fun to watch and feels right back to the end of HotS period when Terrans turtled behind planetary fortresses and Zerg constantly spamming locusts. Games with constant infestors throwing out infested marines and non-stop nydus harass and watching protoss bleed out are NOT FUN TO WATCH. Even now there’s basically no hype for Blizzcon 2019 finals - we can almost certain the finals will be ZvZ and Serral would prevail again.
BUT BUT I WATCH GSL CODE S I DONT EVEN NEED TO PLAY IM GM JUST BY WATCHING UNTERSTEND?? I know timings I know meta thus I am directly GM I can beat anyone just dont have the time OK OK??
But if I dont follow the game for a long time or the meta, I can still post because the FREEDOM in this country gives me the right OK? You are not to deny my desire to be an idiot, because I live in a country of FREEDOM where you are not to limit my idiocy OK???
(You read that gold/plat/hidden profile (aka Plat at most with 1 exception) PPP/ZZZ, dont ever reply if you will call people clueless. Thx bye)
Implying that knowledge of balance is the only factor in rank and nothing else is relevant… There are a LOT of factors that go into a player’s rank; mechanical skill, ability to keep calm under pressure, game sense, etc… Really, knowledge of balance and the problems associated with it are a small factor in a player’s ability to climb the ladder. People with good enough mechanics can essentially just brute force their way to high masters or even GM with 1 build per match up, and it’s been said plenty of times that playing 1 timing-attack build per match up is the best way to improve at the game and climb the ladder (which makes sense, because it removes or limits some of the other skills required for a broader set of macro-focused builds, so the skills more relevant to the build being played will likely improve a bit faster).
Go check one of those old “pros suggest balance changes” threads on TL or pro suggestion compilations…
They’re mostly awful; there are always a few good suggestions, but mostly they’re a bit silly, just like suggestions from people at any other point on the ladder that spectate. Generally speaking, the more a person plays, the more their bias shows through in their suggestions. Avilo and Tehbatz/Rabidrone are GM. Do you think they have any place in balancing the game?
Nobody is perfect, and nobody always makes good suggestions, but the implication that a player needs to have a rank to say something, which even for pros, is more visible when spectating than in playing (which is why high level players analyze replays), is pretty ridiculous.
Even if there is a higher occurrence of good suggestions/comments/thoughts from GM players, that doesn’t mean lower ranked players never make them.
i agree if zergs and protons r not in mustard with blazzard try 2 buff them their they r not skilled 2 make bananalance day thread
Do you rate my life based on the one forum thread?
Actually only Terrans does give good balance suggestions even in the lower leagues however I wanted to be equal for everyone.
I agree as a some kind of PROFESSIONAL TERRAN MASTER LEAGUE PLAYER that current balance is terrible. In HOTS atleast ultralisks was mortal.
people can express their opinion regardless of their rank and level of the game, there are people who understand how games are created, but they themselves are not high-ranking players. You play a game created by such people. Your huge post says that your rank is so significant for you that it offends you when people with a lower rank talk about balance.
Yes, but when you do it before posting please just highlight that you are very low rank inexperienced player that know absolutely nothing so I don’t need to waste my time by reading this poo. Visible 1v1 rank borders on the forum would help.
Lol… Yeah, they understand how the game is created so they put the balance in a worse and worse state every patch…
By the way I couldn’t find the answer from you for my question about my “butthurt because i have no life”. However if you think I have no life and I only play SC2 so it would mean I definitely know how the game and how the balance works. You deny yourself.
dont you think the balance designers test changes prior to implementing them?
the whole reason Lotvs start was such garbage was cause they listened to the masses …
I beat a master in PvP on EU.
you dont need to be M or GM to see how broken something is just watch the past GSL…
Is it any wonder people cant get there when we have free units, mind control, non vision needing teleporting BCs, etc?
moron team gives overlords nitrous earlygame… I dont have real hope left unless we get the current team out of there.
pros should not give balance due to them competing in the esport. they will inevitably want something that helps them and only them. Its a conflict of interest.
Is anyone on the devteam M? I know DK was with all races during hots…
Do you think balance is done by clueless forumers or DK and asking for feedback from THE BEST? How are games not tested and based on people with vast knowledge I wanna know? When it comes to balance that actually requires decent skill to balance for.
And the TRAP that GM posters fall into - they think that observing and LEARNING THE UNIT STATS makes them really knowledgable… but no because what matters is understanding why something is done, why for example a Terran would not spend Ghosts all the time (Because golds would tell you - Ghost counters with EMP blah blah blah… no kidding SC2 101 ??? nah there are invest reasons and timing reasons why you dont see it for example). Like why Terrans didnt go Ghost against HT’s and things like that Gold Level thinking and judge pro players that didnt go e.g Ghost - they didnt know OK tell your gold league advice next time to use Ghosts they had NO IDEA they had to Use Ghosts - (yet im called clueless by some here)
Because I followed a game released in April and while the one who was in community managers was not like top of the top, he had skills that would translate in GM in SC2… As for SC2’s team they ask for the pro players for balance ideas, dont think that these forums mean anything
Good thing I’m rank #5 in KR GM
pros should not give balance due to them competing in the esport. They will inevitably want something that helps them and only them. Its a conflict of interest.
DK left awhile back sadly…
That’s why they ask members of all 3 races. Some players are honest like Rogue and others have been about their race being strong. So not all say that they are the weakest.
posters are not only biased but not skilled as well. Who should 1 trust.
Master is still low league.
Low league is anything below GM. Almost any strat works in low leagues if you use it correctly, you hardly need to worry about balance and can chose your playstyle for stylistic reasons.
Mid-level is GM level. These are the players that have a decent understanding of the game and decent mechanics but they fall apart if they encounter good players.
Pro players: These are are good since they play for a living. Here balance starts to matter, even though it mostly can be overcome by playing better.