I’m really excited about the new campaign achievements coming with 5.0. I don’t want to ruin the sentiment by asking for more but I figure that, while the patch is still in PTR, this would be the appropriate time to bring it up again.
I asked about this in the old forums but they seem to be gone. There are no achievements related to completing Nova Covert Ops or the prologue or epilogue of Legacy of the Void on the various difficulty levels. It seems like someone at Blizzard is into achievements because every once in a while they’ll drop an update like this one or the one that retroactively gave banners to players with 100% campaign completion(s.) I believe that adding difficulty related achievements, or at least one for Brutal completion, to the last remaining vestiges of the campaigns devoid of such achievements would bring StarCraft II’s campaigns to a consistent and, arguably, complete package.
The triggers for such achievements would likely be simpler to implement than the entirely new ones. The code for checking that each, or a certain number of, mission(s) in a sequence have been completed on a certain difficulty (or higher) already exists for the main three campaigns.
After the achievements were initially not included in their respective mini-campaigns, it seemed to me that one of the main hurdles to implementing them retroactively would be that they might mess up previously implemented Meta achievements. This will likely be a problem with the new batch of achievements as well and I look forward to seeing how it is addressed. (Maybe someone on the PTR can let me know. I’m trying to avoid seeing what the specific achievements are so I can be surprised during the Live Launch.) Since this is the only shake up of any campaign’s achievement list since said campaign launch, I think now would be a good time to implement the difficulty achievements as well.
I also wouldn’t mind Time Trial achievements for all the campaigns akin to Wings of Liberty’s “Hurry up. It’s Raid Night.” but I know there are mixed feelings about that one here.
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While adding more achievements would be nice, I want them to fix the old achievements first. Preferably, the Wing of Liberty ones. Especially, the one pertaining to the Lost Viking. Actually, just delete that damn mini-game and all its associated achievements.
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Why get rid of the few actually challenging achievements? I have them, it’s hard but not impossible by any means
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Because it’s not fun to get. Because this is a RTS game; I brought this game because I like RTS genre. Giving an option to play a small mini-game of drastically different variety is nice, but not having to master it.
That’s not the point, though.
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I wouldn’t describe them as needing to be “fixed.” They’re working as intended. I’m also not of the mind that every achievement needs to be accessible to every player. Their presence doesn’t detract anything from you but their absence would affect players who have or intend to get them. If I’m being realistic, I’m never going to get 1000 versus wins with any race; let alone all of them. I would never asked for them to be removed though. Maybe removing them as a requirement to unlock the awesome campaign banners?
As far as it not being an RTS game, I’m glad Blizzard has enough pride in its various mods; both the Lost Vikings and the official Blizzard arcade mods; to give them achievement support. That support’s absence was sorely felt when they launched the paid arcade games. It cost Blizzard and the mod creators two sales from me at least.
Regardless, I don’t want this to become yet another discussion on the damnable Lost Vikings cabinet. I agree it’s tough as balls and getting that final achievement was more satisfying than “fun.”
However, no achievements are abjectly broken and new achievements ARE being added. I don’t see why difficult related ones can’t be as well.
I think a bit of context might be in order. I wasn’t serious. I just bored and see that this interesting post was receiving no reply, so i just comment something on a lark. However, I love good debate. By all means, let us make a mountain with this mole hill.
That’s just it; they do. They deprive me of the awesome campaign banners!
Bad example. For one, that’s part of the RTS aspect of the game. Moreover, your example is a bit too extreme.
Yeah, that would fix everuthing!
I don’t mind that it has some achievement. And if the achievement only require you to ‘beat’ the mini-game once, I’m with you. The requirement to get every relateed achievement, however, that’s ridiculous.
Too late!
I don’t know for sure, since I have yet to get that; but from my experience with other game, the ‘satisfying’ won’t last; the ‘fun’, on the other hand, I will remember and look back fondly upon.
Careful now, you might be stirring the pot. It might be nothing; or you might awake some long forgotten beast.
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I’m not sure what you mean here.
My example is not extreme. There are achievements in the live game right now related to getting 1000 versus wins with every race and with random; both for 1v1 and team queues. Maybe some have been added for Archon mode as well. Regardless, at minimum that’s at least 6000 wins to get all of those achievements if you double dip on random wins. I will never get them but their presence in the list does not bother me.
It seems we both agree that simply removing the Lost Vikings point achievements from the requirements for the banner(s) would be a satisfactory compromise. Let’s move on from that point.
No. No achievement in the game is currently broken. That is a fact. Redefining “broken” to mean “hard” does not change that fact.
In the last bit you were confused by, I was referring to the achievements related to difficulty for the LotV prologue, Epilogue, and Nova Covert Ops that I proposed in the original post. IE, the topic of this thread.
The entire point of my response to you was to refute your objection to adding them; that Blizzard should focus on fixing achievements before adding new ones. I will sum it up very succinctly:
1.No achievements are currently broken.
- Blizzard is already adding new achievements with the 5.0 patch.
There are some achievements that are currently unavailable to get (not even counting events and all that stuff) but I don’t think that should be a reason to remove some achievements, after all, they are just for showing.
Does anybody know where I can find the list of the new campaign achievements ?
The only place I have found is in the game itself.
Not found any “guides” or achievement sites with them.
And starcraft2.com still does not list them either, but then that site is busted anyway, so much of it shows incorrectly.
As to the OP, I always found it odd there was no Brutal achievements for the these missions.
One part of me is glad, as it means I dont need to play those missions on Brutal but on the other hand I have had no incentive to play those missions on Brutal either.
Its a weird one.
Where it not for the achievements, Id never have challenged myself to beat the game on Brutal and earn those sweet profile banners.
-side note: I agree to remove the Lost Viking achievements 
Those where the last ones stopping me having 100%. I finally managed to do it a month back. It wasn’t fun. I hated it.
If those achieves need to stay in the game, Id have liked them in the arcade section.
It is extreme because the level of grinding you need for those is far beyond what most player is willing to go through. The number of people who is willing to try for the Viking, but not the 1,000 wins is not negligible. Your example is bad.
Yeah, but the presence of the Lost Viking achievement bothers me.
Yeah, that’s not what I mean, though. By ‘Broken’, I mean bad design. I can’t remember which, but a number of them is frustrating to get. Sure, there is some sense of pride and accomplishment once I get those; they’re fleeting. Looking back the only thing I remember is the irritation and relive that I won’t have to do it again.
Id Est, not the current topic of this thread!
My whole point is, as you summarize, that they should fix some of their old achievement first. Not that they will fix them first. I complained because they have already added new achievements instead of fixing what broke.
The first point is up for debate and your second is the source of my grivance. I have no idea what you’re trying to convey here.