Multiplayer balance suggestion

[Skipper-2185]

@OldWhovian-1356

This is confusing for a lot of metal leaguers but going Twighlight first isn’t an all-in. If they cut workers at 35 and make 6 gates, yes. That’s an allin. Just researching blink and attacking with stalkers that were made off 2-3 gates isn’t even a partial all-in; it’s a pressure. It’s also been shown to be countered pretty consistently at the highest level. We’ve all dropped a game or two to it, sure, but it’s not a “semi-allin”, w/e tf that means.

8 gates in GML and than 3d behind. Terran counter attack does nothing.

@OldWhovian-1356

Lol, I say Protoss is OP and even I know the zealot is a middling unit that is only there to tank damage and force kiting.

Chargelot warp-in can kill double medivac drop without any micro done by Protoss (other than warp-in) and terran hiding his bio units behind mineral patches.

@OldWhovian-1356

Yes, blink stalkers are very good in the right hands. So are many units.

Which by default means that “Stalker” is not a bad unit which means that hypothesis about Gateway units being “bad” is disproved.

@OldWhovian-1356

If the first reaper comes and you decided to go nexus first with no gateway it’s instant gg. This doesn’t mean the reaper is too strong, it means you can’t play like a dunce and skip necessary steps in the matchup.

There is a FUNDAMENTAL difference between doing Nexus-first build and playing Reaper-CC and forgetting to put a bunker in time.

Equivalent would be if making Photon Cannon on Natural was so essential, that if when Reaper come and you don’t have it you loose the game immediately. Also having it building doesn’t count: Terran building do not build themselves, so if Bunker is not finished in time than it is not finished at all.

Actually even this analogy is wrong, because you can be making Photon Cannon behind and stall a bit, but in case of Bunker it have to be in front. Furthermore, your marines are exposed and have to be in bunker already or they risk never making it into the bunker.

Protoss initial units are so good in fact, that people in GML put 3-d fast Nexus even when playing against 1 base all-in, because gateway units plus battery overcharge gives Protoss THAT BIG safety net.

@OldWhovian-1356

This is a meaningless comparison. Reaper is an early game scout and at the highest level is being phased out of the matchup all together as SCV scouting has been an effective replacement. There isn’t a real-life scenario where you have to contest reapers against an adept or stalker outside of proxy reaper cheese.

Nobody skips Reaper scouting and especially in TvP where Protoss have 100500 cheeses each of which requires different response and which can kill Terran if response is not ideal.

Scenario I mentioned is quite real on the ladder. There is a 2 RAX reaper opening which is pretty good. Normally Protoss are so confident of their early game invincibility in vs Terran match-up that they don’t build more than 2 gateway units. In fact I’ve seen Protoss that build only single adept and that’s it. In this case its a win for me, but imagine how confident they feel about match-up that they only build a single unit!