MaxPax is +6700MMR in EU and KingCobra is +6000MMR, what is your actual MMR in EU? Can you give the link to your streams in twitch or Ytube to see your play?
Otherwise, when you have no presence whatsoever in cyberspace how in the world MaxPax and KingCobra “discovered” you and robbed you or your aledged builds?
Don’t tell me that they hacked your thoughts when you were sleeping…
Yeah, I do pretty good builds. Toss is mostly builds. If you play all day, with the goal of being pro and you use good builds, your MMR can go up, too. Well, maybe not you. Always an exception.
For the trolls who always have a reason for being stupid: h ttps://ibb.co/fC0LWs0 Here is me on EU, after Max was already a world renowned genius… It shows me higher rated than him. 70+ win% while having massive ping and coming back from being inactive…
I was posting videos on youtube at this time. The only reason I even posted anything was solely because of this guy, Max. I realized he was just copying builds. So, I simply posted videos in advance of that time… to simply prove things like now… that he is doing my builds. Period.
That was years ago. Guess what? He’s doing every build that I was doing THEN. If you can’t admit what’s going on and it’s just the “world’s biggest coincidence…” you have issues. No one is that stupid, thus… clearly it’s personal/you’re defective.
So you say, now you have to give us proof that both MaxPax&Cobra saw “your videos” in your channel (a subscription of both MaxPX and KingCobra to your stream would be nice).
You know, outside of those forums you are a non-entity, you are not Wardi, Parting, Harstem, Heromarine (known names of streamers that many people see and follow), so for two EU Professional Players to waste time with a no-name is a little difficult to swallow.
lmao. Read the first sentence. Haha. shut up dude. lmao. Hey guys, I just invented cannon rushing. But guys, I promise I had never seen anyone cannon rush before. Now bless me with your praise. Idiots.
Ok, let me see…
I have yet to see a loser say that he did not do good builds…
You have to be the worst troll and least funny troll ever. Grats. Someone has to be the guy. You’re that guy and no one can take that credit from you, not even me. League of your own. GJ.
Pretty sure it’s his new account. Must have been banned.
Who, though? I really don’t know anyone this bad. He seems different. Only Flack is really around this level, but that’s not his style.
All of this build nonsense is silly. I made a thread well over a year ago on my P vs P build. Have been doing it for 3+ years or something. It’s the best build in the game. Now Max does it every game. Yet… why won’t we name that anything? Hmm… Gotta make sure the goal posts stay focused on something that isn’t crystal clear… Gotta wait for “beastyqt” to acknowledge what I’ve said… It’s all so absurd.
This would be why in the real world patents exist. If not, everything would be a popularity contest. “Britney Spears” would own the world and everyone would stop creating things. Bad example. Maybe if this was 2000…
One day someone is going to create a thread like this, with this type of energy, become enlightened and simply say Playa… you know what… I have to admit your builds aren’t the worst ever. And I’ll be like thanks guy. Thanks for raising the bar on appreciation, you crazy lil nutters.
The E.U. guy that worships Cobra.
CrustyBG, for Bad Game. Guy kills the game with his infinite bronze to master’s abuse that he does, to get viewers.
The only way to beat the streamers seems to be to stream yourself. Otherwise, what they say is taken as gospel.
That was the other guy in my mind, but I was like… I don’t think he posts videos every time. This seemed even beneath the normal stuff.
I don’t really get the whole “gotta wait till streamer says” mentality. Like it only takes a few minutes to realize I’m actually the guy who created these builds. Why not just ask me about them… or just acknowledge it. I completely don’t understand it.
It’s like people think their SC 2 social score will take a hit if they acknowledge reality, lol. Spend all day fan boying some make believe and then when given a better story (imagine one guy created them all) and reality, and all the sudden zero interest. Nah, that sucks… It’s like people in Idiocracy weren’t this dumb.
If anyone can tell you what build is the best or the logic behind it or w/e… surprise… it’s me. I didn’t realize enthusiasm for a strategy was reserved for only certain people. What is it a date? It’s gotta be the “right guy.” I’ll make sure to bring flowers next time…
I’m just trying to figure out P vs T atm. Feel somewhat close, but takes a bit. Too many ways things can unfold to have “solved it all” yet.
Well they certainly can’t win a GSL Code S. So pros haven’t figured it out either. Sad.
When I say I don’t watch pro SC 2, I really mean it. I just take a glance sometimes to see a build a certain person might be using… And with the current state… watching the game is like trolling myself. Ignorance is bliss.
I have been kinda curious as to how players are fairing or at least what are people doing in P vs T. Good to know no one has “beat me to the punch” yet. I feel like this is similar to the proxy gateway fast expand build, where it took me a year or so to figure it out.
I can tell what I’m doing now is probably “taking the right path/general direction,” but there’s still some things to tweak or better understand/optimize. You have to figure out not just the optimal way to play, in general, but versus particular responses.
I think I can get there within a month.
It might be nigh impossible at this point. There’s just something inherently wrong with Protoss. The design. Too many one-trick ponies. At the expense of being made out of glass.
You mention P could beat T better in BW haven’t you? I’m not familiar with the history of the BW pro scene. Especially not protoss. Sure I know about donger because he played SC2 for a while, and so on.
Protoss seemed more solid in SC1. Is that how they were able to deal with terran easier? SC1 didn’t seem to be as much about straight massacring workers, as SC2 tends to often devolve into.
I can say 60 shield zealot helped. 4 armor Carrier helped. Arbiter helped. Reaver was an actual good unit. Just more solid all around really. Those legendary 300/300 pylons. Very sturdy.
So, there’s two problems that come to mind. 1) Most Toss units suck vs Terran. 2) Every comp/synergy is countered by ghosts.
I’m doing a build now where if Terran doesn’t respond correctly (kinda needs to become meta first), I’m often times getting my third base fully saturated before Terran has even taken their natural (8+ mins in). This is a potentiality that hasn’t remotely been seen before.
I’m close to being able to go out on a limb and guarantee the opening and style will become the meta, at some point, but I still have to iron some things out. It’s one of those things where it’s like… if they know what you’re doing and respond a certain way, can you still put yourself in a good spot? There’s several ways to go about it/try, and I’m kinda at that phase, but if people rarely respond “correctly,” then you don’t really get to practice it much.
Protoss is kinda complicated. Not only do you need to figure out the right opening, the right comp and what not, but you also need to precisely figure out “how many units do you need of each type?” Being off by a single unit + or minus can absolutely be the difference between always winning or always losing.
Builds are too intricate and take too much time to just be willy nilly giving credit to any yahoo that a streamer says “worship bruh and don’t ask questions.” I’ll say that much.
Sorry for forgetting to address this. P vs T was pretty easy to me, given I started as a 100% Terran main. I reached the highest level of T vs P on the “NA level” at least. So, I already knew what was hardest to play against and “what Terran didn’t want you to do, at any given point.” Like, for instance, I was acutely aware of the power of simply counter attacking vs mech and not playing into their hands.
So, the arbiter is not just a really strong unit, but it makes the game really complicated. Your average person or even well above average person simply isn’t going to be smart enough to figure out wth to do versus arbiters.
So, I would always open fastest DT (safe vs everything, basically) into expand. Then, I’d go fastest arbiters off 2 base, while taking a third. This was not only the safest way to play, IMO, but you ended up with the ability to recall in Terran’s base at a point where they couldn’t afford to mass turrets.
So what on earth do you do? If you try a timing attack, the arbiter is going to be out and you can use stasis defensively. Hard, hard battle to win… If you try to make turrets… your army becomes incredibly small, and I can take the entire freaking map. So, what do you really do? Try to defend vs recall without any turrets? Just invite them to your base? You kinda end up stuck in your base, where Toss can do w/e they want.
The second they try to move out… bam… mass recall and all their production is dead. It’s incredibly challenging to play against. Then Toss can also just rush carriers, which is also incredibly hard to play against.
What’s funny is… the only thing that was really easy to play against, at all, was “standard P vs T.” Like it was absolutely the worst style possible. There was nothing worse than just making dragoons and getting a late arbiter. If you allowed Terran to max before you even had an arbiter… oh boy… that’s the kinda stuff that gets you excited downstairs. You can’t believe your luck. Yet, that was kinda standard play…
P vs T/T vs P in BW really showed the importance and adv that can be gained from simply playing both sides of a matchup. Only an absolute idiot would play standard P vs T if they were any good at Terran. That also goes to show you that standard/meta play can just be so bad. Can even be the worst thing possible. So… I like to believe things can always be done better until they’re copying you and have to wait on you to improve it…
All that said, please worship Flash. It’s unconscionable that he’s able to win “every game.”
I’ve never agreed with the way they force you to use sentries. A glass unit, that wasn’t even in SC1. In the alpha, there wasn’t a sentry, it was more an oracle type unit.
That moronic ghost upgrade that they put in the game, that’s directly because of players like WhineMarine and Nathanias. They want all the other geeks wearing the coke bottle glasses to be able to have a hero in HeroWhine. Sad really.
But hey, apparently he makes money off streaming this constant whine nonsense that he spews. Turns out there’s a lot of people over in Europe with absolutely no life whatsoever.
Making templars was already pretty pointless in LotV before that upgrade. Now? It completely removed templars from the game. There is no world where the risk/reward makes any sense. They’ve made ghosts the hard counter to every unit. Terran is already planning on making ghosts before you’d plan on making templars. The fact that you’d make templars is just going to excite them more… the icing on the cake to them…
I’m pretty sure the answer to addressing some templar problem that I didn’t even know existed isn’t making ghosts/emp far more OP than storm has ever been. Even in HotS, once Terran had a lot of ghosts and marauders, it was time to GG. Now it’s just like extra so.
So, that also puts more pressure on you to really gimp Terran’s economy. Like you need them to be too poor to afford ghosts or have such a supply discrepancy that you can still win, even if your units have no shields.
Sentries were removed from the game, too. You can’t spend gas on them in P vs P, just to watch a dude make disruptors and 1 shot them all, and you needing to have had that gas go elsewhere to not die. P vs Z… ravagers. T vs P? Imagine having sentries without energy. A real feels dumb. Sentries just aren’t worth their cost in any matchup. And nearly 100% of the time, while not being any micro guru at all, it just seems like… the force fields are debatable at best. You’re just like man… did that help Terran more or Toss more?
If I’m spending 100 gas on a unit, it better be a lot better than the sentry is, that’s for sure.
then say what is is right now so we can all credit you with it when someone else comes up with it or copies you a few months from now.
Lol. Haha. I needed that laugh big time. If only the world worked like that, for me. You’d think it would be that simple, right? Just for comedy sake, I posted a thread well over a year ago, I believe, about my low ground gateway + stargate, expand build that I said would become the meta (my build).
That is exactly what maxpax and a lot of top pros do now. When I posted this (mind you I had done this for years already), no one else was doing it, and everyone called me stupid for doing so, as it “clearly was stupid.”
Here’s what makes the maxpax thing even more comical. I emailed Harstem a year ago about my builds, and he told me that void ray, disruptor was stupid (he does that now btw), and I told him that maxpax would end up doing my P vs P build in a few months, along with most people (none had done it yet).
That is exactly what has happened. Has Harstem even said my name? No, he’s busy doing videos on maxpax builds, lmao. This is the kinda fraud that exists in our scene. It’s truly a black eye for humanity.
But, I’ll play along and tell you what I’m “up to.” So, I start with my typical forward/proxy gate. I then make a pylon at Terran’s natural. It’s positioned in a way that makes it look like it’s just a weird/dumb pylon block to slow Terran’s natural or mess up their ideal placement.
After the pylon finishes, I make my cyber core at their natural. Further blocking their natural and further making it look like just a way to delay Terran’s natural. I go zealot -> adept, chrono out the adept. I make a shield battery and a robo at Terran’s natural.
So, it goes robo -> expand -> make obs -> then make immortals. So you end up with a macro oriented build, while also having a pretty strong contain on Terran. You have the obs to scout what Terran is doing and then help your immortals pick off their supply depots and what not.
After 3 immortals, I make a disruptor, to further help with the contain and add a piece that you’d want for whenever they break the contain (always useful vs tank pushes, especially). I make 2 disruptors at their nat if given the time.
During this, I make 2 stalkers and rally them to my base to be preemptive with dealing with anything like a liberator sent to my base, a viking or w/e. You don’t want to be forced to recall.
So, if Terran doesn’t just make a bunker asap, cause they just think you’re doing some kinda stupid tactic to slow their expansion down, at the cost of losing a freaking cyber and what not, Terran can end up in a lot of trouble or at least end up behind by a lot.
Follow up from there for me is a 2 robo, 2 stargate into dt/archon. I just pump immortals, basically. I go for mass immortals + 1 colossus + 2 disruptors. I end up with like 5 phoenixes and the rest of my air units are void rays. I just keep pumping void rays and immortals.
I then add in archons and go up to 3 robos and probably 3 stargates when I max. I may add 1 more colossus and another disruptor.
That is the build and follow up. Btw, one might be like hey “that’s mech Toss. Another streamer does that!.” Well, not only was I the guy who started carrier, disruptor no warp gate vs Terran, but… that style is really just an ancient thing I did in P vs P during the sky toss era. So, this is really just taking that style to P vs T, minus transitioning to carriers.
Also, what kinda helps make the cyber block at Terran’s nat make some sense is not only does it guarantee you can delay their expansion, but if you were to make your cyber anywhere else, it would delay your own expansion, since you’d have to make an extra pylon at home.
Appreciate putting the ball on the tee for me.
The start looks real good to me but dont you just die to any kind of drop from terran? I’m not a high level protoss by any means but your build seems to require so much gas, do you have a replay? If you show it on a new post there is no way anybody could argue with the fact you pioneered it !
So, when you try to do this style with a void ray opening, you run into the drop problem. Like Terran just instantly drops you, basically. But, when you open with robo, it seems to force Terran to focus more on not dying than trying to get counter damage in. Like they can’t afford to leave their base, because the risk of dying is too great.
And, since you opened with fastest observer in Terran’s base as possible… you can kinda see how the game is going to play out, if not just flat out watch a drop leave Terran’s base.
Ideally, with this style, by the time you were even forced to recall, if you had to, you had already done enough economic damage from killing depots or just the damage done by delaying their expansion.
It could very well make sense to simply recall at “x time,” regardless of whether you know a drop is coming or not, simply cause you reach a point where if you’ve contained them for a certain period of time… you should be able to give up the contain and always win, so the risk/reward means you should simply prepare for a drop. And, as I said, drops don’t tend to come before this point would be reached.
Just a couple recent replays:
h ttps://drop.sc/replay/18952384 This is a game where the Terran was never able to take his natural, while I had 3 bases. I ended up making an unusual second shield battery this game, simply cause I believe I had a probe chasing a SCV and the probe just ended up there. Right place, right time, why not thing.
h ttps://drop.sc/replay/18952405 This is a game from 2 days ago where the guy opened with hellions… I had never seen this vs this. It caused me to recall early on, so I never really got the damage done I wanted. He was still contained/didn’t get his expansion for a while. This game just kinda shows off “the comp.” Like an idea of what it looks like if the game transitions into a “normal macro game” for both sides.
“Normies” might be ignorant, but the actual players know. They can’t refute it. They just choose to ignore. The height of trying to contest anything I’ve said is that Cobra guy saying “I have higher MMR than you.” Like wow… such logic. So, by his accord, Maxpax can copy anything he does and then he will deserve all the recognition cause his MMR is higher. It’s only karma that that’s happening now. Poor guy has to be real confused as to what to say/think.