Certain posters on these forums “caugh Batz” saying Maru can only proxy to get far in tournaments once again proved wrong.
Even though Maru won 2-3 GSLs and made it to RO8 of blizzcon without proxy one base play for a while anyway. Just another wake up call to reality…that Maru is on a whole other level, that he carries terran, and that he uses standard play to make it far/win premier tournaments.
Things Batz have said in the past that don’t hold up:
Innovation is best terran, but isn’t fair because he plays standard and doesn’t proxy like Maru
Fact: Maru has outplayed innovation in standard games for a year or two at this point. Maru has far more impressive games against virtually all contenders than Innovation for 12+ months easily. I do like innovation, don’t get me wrong, but he hasn’t been aamazing since 2018.
Maru only makes it far in tournaments because he does proxy.
Fact: Maru has played standard for 1-2 years and through several premier tournament wins such as 2-3 GSL’s playing standard
Elazer is currently 2nd best player in EU
Fact: Currently gets crushed in group stage at IEM, doesn’t make playoffs.
Dark is a god at zerg that’s been robbed from victories because terran is OP
Fact: Dark is playing his usual “make it to playoffs” and then “exit tournament” play this year. Loses ZvZ to Rogue.
My data analysis is so amazing
Fact: Has no remotely successful predictive model, which is essential to data analysis (in other words, Batz models are horrendous at predicting outcomes…a toddler can predict more accurate outcomes).
I think Maru’s TvT is weaker and most times loses to Innovation but when it comes to Tv other race, yes Maru has a lot more versatile style full of builds.
The reason Zerg had 5 and Terran “just Maru” is because Zerg players are more skilled. The fact that Maru doesn’t have any problem winning pretty much confirms that it’s not a race problem, it’s a player problem.
But that’s what the results tell! If Terran players are so good why can’t they just reach the same level as Maru? There has been quite a few patches buffing Terran and nerfing both Zerg and Protoss in the past ~2 years. Terran players despite that still consistently fail to deliver results. At one point we have to tell ourselves that skill also has to be taken in the equation. Rogue, Dark, Serral are all WCS World Champions. TY, Cure, Bunny, Innovation aren’t…
No it’s not, the results would show balance issues, and that’s why Blizzard did their buffs and nerfs accordingly.
Same can be said about any race at any time.
When Fruitdealer won the first premier tournament in SC2, terran was winning like 70% of games vs. zerg. Maru is just our Fruitdealer in premier tournaments.
That’s not how any of this works. If zerg players and terran players were switched in results, would you really, really, really be saying zergs are just not as good? Be honest…you probably wouldn’t, and you would be right. Balance sucked hard for terran last year. No doubt about it.
TBH he cheeses a lot, but ofc if you are gm you can probably play macro as well. Honestly it is not his fault, what you are supposed to do as terran. Terran sucks in early game, in midgame and has no lategame. It is pretty grim playing terran nowadays…
Crusader is so triggered that dedicated an entire topic full of terrible arguments and strawmen to basically A SINGLE POSTER. I guess getting demolished over and over again by the same person would do that to you.
In any case, somebody get this cat some hemorrhoid ointment LOL
Batz arguments are so poor, I just had to show how this tournament alone helps disprove every myth he’s ever perpetuated in the game. They think zerg is UP for heavens sake, its just insane.
It’s okay to call a spade a spade. When Zerg whiners cry about how underpowered their race is in the face overwhelming evidence, yeah they’re useless and pathetic. But let’s not act like the last balance patch didnt help us, etiher.
Oh I disagree. 2 years of roughly 46% win rate and then multiple periods where we went over the 55% mark? Can’t be pure coincidence, man. Terran didn’t do that since like 2011… (on the other hand, most Zergs will say they won so consistently because all 70+k Zergs are all “just better” or something equally stupid).
I think this really shows a lot about how the races interact with each other, and how the game design isn’t really helping with how the game is currently being played. There are so many factors to consider and a lot of discussion to be had on this, but it’s hard to understand what makes Maru so much better than the other Terran players, and what makes a race ‘strong.’ Is it the player or the race itself?
This can lead to so much discussion on the topic, even in a complete flame thread like this one.
which is called balanced. with 3 races and 4 spots one race gets 2 spots and the other 2 get one is the most balanced you can get.
now. you said you tournaments are where it matters and this was the biggest tournament yet. and what does the results show us? Terran is doing just fine against Zerg.
and clearly the triggered people is the QQ terran horde. they are the ones who are crying despite winning 60% of games against zerg.
what would be reasonable to you guys? 80%?
literally even aligulac backs up terran being fine.
in only 2 periods since december has terran had a losing winrate against zerg. both within the +/- 5% range that is called balanced (45-55). meanwhile all the rest have terran winning, and 2 of those OUTSIDE the balanced range.