I don’t really care about the drama between you two. Maybe you are right or maybe not. He obviously has a point here. He has me convinced and you can call it fabricated if you want to, but that doesn’t make you right. I checked the links to Aligulac like he said to, and it does seem to match with what he’s posting. Are you saying he and Aligulac are conspiring to forge fake data?
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I am not sure what you want from me. You said you aren’t emotional and then then in the same post started raging a conspiracy theory about how all these points are made up. Yet I don’t see you posting the real data to prove they are made up. Your opinions are clearly based on emotion and not facts. I am not sure what you want from me but that’s how I see it.
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Maybe you’re new here, which sounds like it could be the legit case. Batz will post stats to fit his agenda. It’s just what he does. The conspiracy theory would be that he posts accurate stats.
I have in the past. Many of us have. I could post premier tournament stats showing zerg won 7 premier tournaments in a row, aligulac stats on tournament ZvT MU’s from last year showing why zerg is nerfed, but I’ve already done that, and same with everyone else here. Arguing against Batz is like arguing against a lunatic with unlimited time to posts whatever “perception” of stats he wants.
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Alright. I am open to that possibility. Show me the real data if his is forged.
Bro, what on gods green earth does that have to do with anything in this topic. You seem really convinced that he forged this data so you must have convincing proof. I’d like to see it. Please post it.
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Real data and perception of data are different.
I posted win rates of ZvT from premier tournaments and why zerg won 7 premier tournaments in a row. Using those same stats, Batz concluded that terran was OP because too many terrans made it to the RO4.
Batz 2 years ago used premier tournament terran winners as why they are OP. When that happened with zerg last year, all of a sudden premier tournaments had too “limited of games for real research on balance”, and then proceeded to say that the 100+ offline irrelevant tournaments where terran won mostly showed terran was OP, in which most of those tournaments had 0-2 pro players.
He changes his perception of stats as time goes by.
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Again I don’t care what you say he said years ago. I am talking about here and now. His argument is very sound and I am curious to see what you have to say about it. Specifically this comment made:
“If there is no evidence of terran being OP, you better believe he will pull it out of a magicians hat.”
I am going to be honest with you. Sorry if it’s blunt. I think it’s far fetched to accuse someone of fabricating data without proof. You reject his data on the basis of no data and that’s unfair. To me it seems like you are doing what you are accusing him of doing.
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He needs to give people a reason to believe he can be reasonable. Not once has he ever admitted any stats hes ever posted as inaccurate. I mean there are threads of hundreds of comments disproving them.
My question to you is “why should I go through his stats, find the inevitable flaws showing terran isn’t OP, and then be told otherwise by Batz regardless if its true or not”?
If he was someone that thinks without much bias or can meet you halfway, then I sure as hell would love a conversation with that guy.
But someone who won’t ever admit fault? Absolutely no point.
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Now he can’t admit fault? Wow, sounds like a nice guy. I’ll remind you I am not interested in your opinion of him. I want to know your opinion of his argument. Is it really too much to ask of you to simply focus on the argument?
To answer your question it is subjective. Personally if I thought someone were fabricating data and I wanted to call them out on it I would check their sources and prove it. I don’t know what your motivations are so I can only speculate why you might want to do it. From where I am sitting you are denying his data on the basis of no data and that seems like you are an emotional individual while he is a data oriented individual. You can’t win in his arena with emotions.
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You can’t win in his arena…period…no matter if you actually win, he will never admit it.
Mr. 19 posts barcode hidden profile Batz idolizer is already sketchy.
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If you are going to start attacking me then I am done here. I am trying to keep things civil with you. Please focus on the argument. I am interested in your claim that he forged the data. Can you please cite some external evidence that contradicts his evidence? If you can then I would agree that you are right. If you can’t then I am afraid he has won this round, at least in my opinion.
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My claim is that his perception of data in intended to say terran is OP regardless if its true or not.
Keep your opinion.
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Are you withdrawing your claim that he forged the data?
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Never had that claim. I repeat:
I am confused. You said this:
“Batz doesn’t have a point, he makes them up. If there is no evidence of terran being OP, you better believe he will pull it out of a magicians hat.”
Are you saying that his data is valid?
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My 2 above quotes do not contradict one another.
I am trying to understand your previous comment. Do you think his data is forged or not?
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Cherry-picked data, etc. are some of the methods he uses as data to support his bias perceptions.
I don’t think it’s cherry picked. He used all pro players. Did he exclude some? Which ones did he exclude?
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Going through a complex elo system of grading balance but ignoring zerg winning 7 premier tournament wins in a row is laughable. Again, I’m not going to spend a tremendous amount of time breaking down Batz stats for the 100th time.
Come on man. That’s not fair. You can’t change the metric. Cherry picking is where you exclude data.
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