Marines cost 50 minerals.
And terran gets minerals for free.
So do the other races by your logic. Marines cost 50 minerals.
Nope. Terran is the only race in the game that can get minerals by spending energy.
Then which of these statements do you disagree with?
A worker that costs 0 minerals mines free minerals
A unit produced with free minerals costs 0 minerals
The starting workers of each game cost 0 minerals
I disagree with none of those statements. All those statements are statements of obvious, undeniable fact.
Well then, you agree that all the races get free minerals, and nothing but free minerals, and therefore that all units are free.
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Nope. Thatâs an error in your logic. The problem is the production of free units. The units at the start of the game werenât produced and therefore could not have been produced for free:
Nope, you neglected to take into account statement 1. The starting workers cost 0 minerals to make, as they spawned into the game for free at the start. Therefore they mine free minerals, and per statement 2, all subsequent workers produced from those minerals also cost 0 minerals (and therefore also mine free minerals). I can spell out the exact train of logic if you really need me to.
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The starting workers cost 0 minerals, but that isnât relevant to the production of free units when they werenât produced. You are using a scenario where units arenât produced against my argument which specifically is about unit production. Terran is the ONLY race in the game that can trade energy for minerals. The starting workers does not change that fact.
Sure it is. Theyre mining free minerals, and youre (presumably) producing additional workers throughout the game. Statement 1 and 3 combined mean the initial workers produce free minerals. Since those are the only minerals you have, under those conditions statement 1 and 2 mean all workers you can have in the game produce free minerals. Under that condition, per statement 2, all units are free.
Basically, the combination of those three statements means that âfreeâ minerals are the only kind in the game.
âThe starting workers were free, therefore terran IS NOT the only race in the game that can trade energy for minerals?â
This is your argument, correct? You are saying Zerg and Protoss can exchange energy for minerals because of the starting workers, correct?
Because we never were. Go back through and read my posts. I never once said mules werenât free. Mules are free. Thats indisputable, but also irrelevant to the point at hand that you are trying to make, which is that the minerals mined are free - this is where you are fundamentally wrong and the point I have been trying to argue the whole time.
Unless mules can somehow generate income without the need to mine from a mineral node, then the minerals that mules mine are not free, regardless of whether a mule is free or not. you never adressed this, and in fact blatantly ignored it.
My stance has always been this, and this has not changed through the entire thread. You are being deliberately obtuse about this when you know full well you are wrong.
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Incorrect. Energy doesnât factor into the equation. Under your own agreed upon statements, all the races use exclusively free workers. That, and no more or less, is my argument.
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You were, and that is a demonstrable fact. If you disagree, then you donât understand the very basics of the situation. Mules mine minerals. Terran gets mules for free. This means terran gets minerals for free. This is a statement of fact. You said Terran doesnât get minerals for free. That means you are either denying that the mule mines minerals, or you are denying that mules cost 0 minerals. Either way, you were talking about the mule.
So again, show me exactly how, in a map with no minerals, dropping a mule can generate mineral income. This is the crux of the argument here.
Oh, wait. It canât. Because a mule mining does not make the minerals being mined free.
If that were the case then minerals as a resource would be worthless the same way energy as a resource is worthless because it is infinite. For it to have a cost that isnât free, the resource itself must be finite in some way - minerals are a finite resource and isnât self generating and therefore are not free, whilst energy is self generating and therefore is free.
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I said free workers. If free army units arenât ok then free workers arenât ok. Be a hypocrite or donât.
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Im not obligated to take your statement there as fact. Army units and workers do fundamentally different things. Myself and others have explained why free army units are a problem. You need to explain why a free worker is a problem. Batz is failing pretty handily. Can you do better?
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Are you joking? SC2 is all about economy and you donât see why free, non supply workers are a problem? Late game with Terran sacrificing 50 workers for more army because of mules is a problem.
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Why?
If you want to say that MULEs give terran too much income relative to their efficiency, im willing to entertain that argument. If you want to say that the MULE hammer is a problem because of the speed it can mine out a base, im willing to entertain that argument. But neither of those have anything to do with its cost. If you want to say that the MULE is bad because its free, them im going to dismiss you out of hand. âIt just isâ is not an argument.
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