It's over for Protoss in PvT

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SO YOU ARE BERSERKSWORD!

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Nope you cant. Do you know how long it takes to reach blink in optimal conditions what timing your looking at? The standard opener for PvT is 3gate blink 2 base. teching into collosi or ht. Terran will hit before collosi is up or storm is done with a bigger army.

Added to that as a protoss you are forced to go double upgrades if you want to make the game go late. Check the cost and tech path for all that. See how many units u can make.

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dude u talking about the gimmicky 3 rax timing? if u killed 30 scvs which u claim,you can just sacrifice ur 3rd pull back to your nat and hold comfortably behind shield batteries

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Timing wise i cannot even THINK about a third. The new stim timing hits before u can even GET a third. it hits approx when charge is halfway CHRONOBOOSTED.

also i told u the timing in the OP 2rax.

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the timing wont hit before 5 mins,and by that time you are supposed to be half way into your 3rd,or what level are you playing? guess there is plenty of room to improve then

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That timing hits at 4 min

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then it has no combat shields and marines will just drop like flies

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Look at his profile, he doesnā€™t play a game at all. His account was specifically created to stir Terran vs Protoss and Zerg vs Protoss whine threads up artificially.

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No the timing at 4 min hits with concussive shells, 6 marines 2 marauder. wich you have to respect since you have no upgrades at all yet

Then transitions into full 5rax allin with stim at 6 min.

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You can beat that with adepts and sentries with SBā€™s

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And then you die to the follow up push because youve waisted all your gas into sentries wich should go to tech. and u wasted minerals building shield batteries AND adepts.

Also adepts are horrible versus marauders as a side note

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You build the adepts vs the marines, and just use a sentry or two for FF and GS.

SBā€™s are a good investment if you can get 1-2 out in time.

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2 sentry is 200 gas wich you dont have.

SBā€™s are forced because of how early it hits. but cuts down your gateway production so you have even less units at 6 min.

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Post the replay of the timing that made you do all this rageposting.

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Adepts arenā€™t even that good vs marines. They have less range and waste a ton of damage because of the ridiculous overkill, and they just get kited down with conc shells. Thereā€™s a reason pros pretty much only make stalkers in the early game PvT: they can kite marines and trade pretty evenly with marauders pre-stim.

When 6 marines/2 marauders w/ conc shells hits, the protoss will only have 2-3 units out if they were going for an FE, which 6 marines/2 marauders will kill easily with conc shells unless thereā€™s a battery. If the protoss has a battery, the initial pressure should be pretty easily defended with 2 gates and some extra batteries built behind that, but if thereā€™s no battery, itā€™s probably just GG.

Itā€™s a cheesy sort of pressure build, and one thatā€™s always been pretty good vs Protoss, but can be easily defended with a couple of batteries if scouted. It can hit as early as ~3:30 game time with an expansion or more tech behind it without any proxy buildings. With the current meta being pretty greedy for Protoss with a fast expand on 1-gate, 3 rax openers with fast conc shells are probably quite good at any level of play, as long as youā€™re not giving the protoss an easy scout, and most 1 base Terran openers are fast tech with widow mine drops or something, so if you do the normal wall with a reactor barracks, they probably wonā€™t expect it.
A reaper scout probably isnā€™t worth it with this sort of build, because it delays the initial push, so thatā€™s one thing that can tip the protoss player off.

Eh, not really. If you have batteries and 3-4 gates or 2-3 gates and a robo/stargate, you should be able to hold the follow-up pretty easily, since your eco should be stronger and you can chrono units.

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Well i did forget to mention in the OP the 6 minute timing also included him pulling his scv.

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That is a pretty big thing to not mention and tell people that the Terran went for a SCV all-in. Something massively different than what you described.

Another reason for you to post the replays

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Also his unit count was about twice as big as mine if you need to know. i had immortal tech when he hit. Also had blink.

To your replays thing.

No.

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He macroā€™d

So how can you prove the game happened as you say it is if you refuse to show anyone the replays?.

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I dont need to prove anything to the likes of you. Now go outside and seek counselling

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