"It doesn't mean you are smart" - Dr. Richard Haier

Anesthetic originally claimed to be a statistics expert at the start of the thread. Then I asked him what the maximum output of a uniform distribution is and he couldn’t answer and cried that he had just barely started his statistics classes (years ago he claimed to be a professor).

I have no idea how he thinks he can just spout pure BS and that experts wouldn’t notice. Anyone who has taken an intro stats class could tell he is full of it.

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Okay batz, u dumbass. Not even trying anymore.

If you gonna keep lying again and again at least get my major right, it’s pure math, not stats.

You can lie all you want but I have the proof:

“I am a statistics expert, guys!”

“I am NOT a statistics expert, guys!”

Meteo is one thing, stats is another, now, Meteo USES a lot of stats but it is not stats, I can explain this to kids an they’ll undestand it the first time.

I didn’t even realize Batz left.

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Looks like Batz is going crazy.

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I wouldn’t exactly call it ‘going’ :stuck_out_tongue: . Most of the forum seems to think this is rather a permanent state he’s in.

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Face it u who make so many posts are here because ur failures in this game and think of excuses

( 'i know how to play just not fast nuff to execute it). - that’s ur delusion, speed matters but decision, reading too. This is not somth u learn from posting on forums and thinking u understand the game by watching GSL while while making Silv plat or low diam once…

Get over urself if u don’t play and don’t have thousands of career ladder games u don’t know bat sht

It is why smart Taran playerz criticize ur posting and theroies

Another zero substance post because the trolls can’t intellectually engage such strong arguments without being completely and utterly obliterated to the point they look like clowns.

SC2 is negatively correlated with IQ like the paper in the OP suggests. It’s a game of reaction speed and this under-cuts the higher-order thought processes that are typified by intelligence. The trolls in this thread, and their unoriginal insults and nonsensical arguments, only prove my point even more.

Has there been a single person who attempted a logical, fact-based counter argument? Nope, not one. They are out of ideas - bankrupt. The only thing they can do is shout short insults in between their bouts of rage. Do they even have the attention span needed to articulate a complex, multi-faceted argument? SC2 has done great damage to the cognitive development of many people.

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I think intelligence does have a role to play in Starcraft 2 but it depends on what the game of Starcraft 2 actually is for people.

If your experience of the game is playing 1v1s, immediately queuing up, and then repeating the process but faster, then yes, the game is a matter of reaction speed, discipline, and grind.

I would argue that intelligence for Starcraft 2 comes into play outside of the actual game itself when one carefully analyzes the situation after the game and notes not only the inefficiencies of their play but the strategic flaws that they make in their game. Since replays and analysis of those replays aren’t necessarily time-gated in the way that the game’s execution is, your brain has more time to analyze and then develop future actions that you make note of over the course of many games.

I don’t claim to be someone who regularly does the latter, but I do review my work in other aspects of life and make iterations rather than use the same ram for different walls. Intelligence without grind and execution (which SC2 IS about) is just wasted potential anyways. There’s nothing of merit that can only be unlocked with only intelligence, but there are many things that can be done with grit and average intelligence.

now we wait for the trolls

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Great. Now how you gonna fix those flaws without the reaction speed needed to do so? Anyone with 3 brain cells can look at a game and go, “Hmmm. Maybe I should not have let 100 marines walk into 3 banelings” but very few people have the reaction speed necessary to actually do the stim / split micro (especially across multiple locations).

So then in those situations, you maybe think about working with multiple control groups a-moving. Think about pre splitting your army and flanking. Plan out which areas you want to take fights in. If you know your opponent is going to bring banelings and you’re not fast enough to split (depending on your mmr), mix in some marauders to compensate so you have something you can shove in the front before the fight starts. Play vision and leverage your terrain. Yeah you won’t be able to hit GM or even high master and you’re going to have a soft cap on your elo, especially if your favorite builds are high apm intensive. But the beauty is that there’s a lot of people who make a ton of fast stupid decisions that you can take advantage of. You have to understand your weakness and realize you can’t solve problems the same ways that pros that you may or may not watch do.

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This is priceless. This fact turns upside-down the BatZ’s stupidity that skill=APM in SC2. The fastest a moron is with his fingers the more stupid things he can do in a given interval of time.
Basically this is the Spanish Flu strategy (Cytokine Storm): the healthier was somebody (strong immune system) the less chances had the guy to survive.

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And how do you do that when the APM required to do so is 300 and you have only 110? Understanding how something is done != actually doing it. That’s like saying because you know the physics of flight you can suddenly flap your arms and fly.

With the a-moving, you just chunk your army into 3-4 parts beforehand, and a move at 3-4 different spots. You can pre-chunk it before you get into a fight so you don’t need high apm to do that. It takes three actions to select your army chunk, move your camera to the desired location, and attack move. Repeat three to four times. That’s 12 actions, executable in around 6-7 seconds at 110 APM. Remember, APM is also an average figure so 110 APM could probably fluctuate up to 150 or so and maybe as low as 70-80 when you’re not doing much of anything.

Flanking can be a conscious decision that you can make before a fight even happens. The fights are usually what requires the APM bulk so the more actions you can premeditate before it even begins the better. Vision and information are huge parts of the game that don’t require high amounts of APM so you shouldn’t have much of an excuse there if low APM is the reason behind your losses.

Again, I’m not saying that you’re going to be GM or high master with these tactics, but beating someone at 2-3x your APM is definitely achievable in diamond/low master, let alone anything else below that. It also takes practice and willingness to see short-term losses in order to achieve long-term results, since much of the game is built on practice and refinement of your gameplay.

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You are assuming you have spare apm before the fight to pre split, and you also assume that pre-splitting is an adequate substitute for actual splitting during the actual fight (it’s not). Again the APM has to be paid for and how do you do it when you don’t have the APM needed to? There is no “APM credit card”. Either you have it or you don’t. Either you can do certain strategies and micro moves or you can’t.

Everyone on planet Earth understands how stim+split micro works, but there is only one Byun. APM is the vast majority of the game. It doesn’t matter if you have GOD-tier game understanding, if you can’t punch the keyboard fast enough the vast majority of micro/macro/strategical tricks are out of your reach. Likewise you don’t have to know why a certain micro trick works, you just have to be able to do it to get the wins.

You should be a specially gifted moron in order not to understand what Shiroha is saying. Don’t forget that even 60APM people have 500-800APM during the battle.
Shiroha explained that 150APM is generaly enough to cope.
What counts is the right thing done moderately fast rather than the wrong thing done with lightning speed.

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What??? :clown_face:

Now let me step back for a second and say I have no idea what your rank is, what your goal of playing the game is, and maybe you are some low master player operating at 110 and are hardstuck because you’ve literally exhausted everything. I have no idea. I normally play around 120 APM around D1-D2 level and I’m still climbing so I may hit soft cap soon. Who knows. (probably end up having around 150 APM~ on zerg)

I would encourage you and everyone else, if you’re any lower, the game is still something you can improve in and beat people overtime on. I can’t answer all the questions you have and maybe you’re just a jaded forum poster who stopped playing several years ago. If you do still actively play and fall under the conditions above, keep trying man. Experience and strategy have carried me through my games, and I’m sure that with enough practice, you can climb too. Wish you the best.

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Oooooh. Sounds like someone doesn’t know about Russia’s greatest love machine.