You are wasting your time my friend. We had this exact discussion with this clown some time ago and here you have him spout exactly the same nonsense.
What’s the point of repeating the same thing when the result would be invariably 0?
You’re missing the point you don’t need 300apm to be amongst the top 200. You just need to be clever with the apm that you have.
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Lmao. A diamond league player is telling a GM that he misses the point while denying that more micro is harder than less micro. Unbelievable.
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I have 30 more apm with zerg than protoss, it doesn’t make my zerg play any better than my protoss.
And bold words for someone who keeps his profile private.
Then again you just pulled the league card so I win.
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See, Goba? He’s shifted his argument because he knows he has lost. Now he is going to pretend he doesn’t understand variance.
You can pretend that he won just to spite me but anyone with a brain knows I won this debate a trillion fold.
Protoss is definitely easier to play and there is an overwhelming amount of hard evidence that proves it beyond doubt.
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Sure, but the weight that strategy and tactics has in the outcome is far greater than the difference in APM (thing that you delude yourself that are doing).
You do no have a point. Following your logic the same person that would use two settings of his repeat-rate keyboard would result on him having two different set of skills in the matter of 10 minutes.
Yet, he is the same person and his skill did not change in the span of 10 minutes…
Yeah dude let me demonstrate how good my zerg is while I rapid fire the zergling key and get 1000 apm.
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Why do you think APM and strategy/tactics are mutually exclusive? Everything in the game is actuated into the game through APM. Every strategy is punched into the game using APM. Every tactic is punched into the game with APM. Everything is punched into the game through APM.
More strategy → more apm.
More tactics → more apm.
Etc etc.
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APM has a correlation of 0.65 with win-rate. It’s the highest correlation in the game, period. Cry me a river.
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Yeah dude I strategize so much faster when I spam keys
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Listen I can’t help you kid. You suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. You’re telling a GM that he has no clue what he’s talking about from Gold league. You’re saying I can’t make coherent arguments as you claim more micro doesn’t make micro harder. The things you are saying are “earth is flat” levels of delusion. You’re either a troll or you have serious issues. Either way you’re getting blocked.
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No, i never said such thing. My point is that strategy/tactics weight is much more impactful than APM.
Skill is a very complex subject and to reduce it simply in your ability to press fast the keyboard is not a thing that me (and a lot of posters) would ever accept.
Difference in APM requirement is due to different designs of the three races, they have nothing to do with the “skill” of people that play those races.
False.
You claim these are different right here. They must be distinct elements for them to have different weights. Every strategy in the game has to be punched into the game through APM. They aren’t distinct elements.
No it’s not. APM has a correlation of 0.65 with skill. APM is the majority of skill. Period.
Now if you had 15 or 20 distinct items each with a 5-10% contribution to win-rate then you could say it’s a complex subject. But when ONE thing dominates the correlation at 0.65, it’s not a complicated subject.
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Your profile isn’t even public for all we know you’re just some plat level terran who praises the all mighty apm.
You’re trying to connect apm with strategy which no reasonable person will connect. Good strategy does not necessarily increase the difficulty of execution. You think any special tactics that come from proxy play require more apm than playing standard? You think that lategame mass thors is any harder to execute than marine tank parade push?
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Why is it that the players with the best strategies also have the highest APM?
Why is it that the players with the worst strategies have the lowest APM?
GASP! COULD IT BE THAT STRATEGIES REQUIRE APM!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
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Adderall, gamer fuel,highly luminous Razer gear and Mountain dew.
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Yeah go and tell printf his cannon rush strategies are awful even though he wins with them. And don’t you just love those gm terrans that turtle until 200 with mech and win with 1a? I wonder if why they won if their apm was lower. Don’t you just love the mass thors?
People who play this game more is going to have higher apm because of how muscle memory works. But comon are you going to say that serral had a worse strategy this one game because his apm was lower than clem on that game? Or that someone who died to a cannon rush had a much better strategy on the lower leagues because he was too busy “warming up” his fingers?
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I have a near 100% win-rate vs printf. Cannon rush strategies are a losing strategy.
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printf being in gm says otherwise
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Well its not exactly true. I agree mostly with what you say but you saying more clicks = harder isnt entirely true. Of course its part of the difficulty but the precision of clicks isnt counted for in APM. For example, me playing protoss I often need to place 1-2 very precise forcefield (because thats the energy i have) and if i misplace them im completely dead. So of course more clicks is more difficult but one could argue protoss needs more precise clicks (which i disagree with). It’s true to a degree but i think it depends on how late in the game you are as terran need more precision in the late game while toss needs more precision in the early game. So saying the race that clicks more is the hardest isn’t necessarily true because APM doesn’t take the precision of clicks into account.
Btw, i still agree toss is the easiest race, i’m just arguing for the sake of it here hehe