So i just found out today that Infested Terrans are unique. They are, supposedly, unlike any other unit in the way they operate.
Now, keep in mind that I haven’t tested this at all yet (I’m at work so I havent had the chance, but will when I get home), so take this thread with a grain of salt until I can do a proper test.
The common understanding is that infested terrans scale with upgrades, which is, at the time of making this thread, true. However what I have recently learned is that though infested terrans attacks scale with upgrades, the attacks are still considered spell damage and thus ignore armour on an opposing enemy unit.
This means that any air unit would be taking significantly more damage than it should be if they have armour upgrades. As an example, a fully upgraded corruptor would be taking an additional 5 damage due to the base 2 armour plus the 3 upgraded armour that the infested terran theoretically ignores.
Again, I have not had the chance to test this, but if this is the case, then why doesn’t the balance team consider making their AA attacks a standard, non-spell attack instead of reducing the amount of damage they do?
Whether its a bug or not, this would mean that the unit doesn’t follow the standard convention. There is no unit in the game that has a spell attack that is also affected by damage upgrades outside of the infested terran. Either keep it as spell damage and remove its ability to ve affected by upgrades, or make it a standard damage weapon.
I am just going to reply to this thread as if it is unintended bug. That being said I also would assume that they still balanced the game around the way it was bugged or not.
So my question to you is how would you feel if they fixed the bug but adjusted the unit to compensate to keep it generally the same?
That all depends on if the infested terran gets nerfed or not. If it does then the simple answer is to just make its anti air unaffected by upgrades. The damage remains the same at base, which is still quite strong.
Spell : If the attacker’s damage comes from a spell`, this equals 0; otherwise, this equals 1.
1 — The Marauder is not dealing damage via a spell
Basically, the infested terran’s attack is registering as a spell which is why it ignores armour.
@Lfod
While the oracle’s attack has been around in its current state and balanced around it more or less since HotS, the Infested terran’s anti air attack hasn’t been balanced around this bug up until the last year or two, and is something they’re currently looking at nerfing at this point in time. Fixing the bug may be one way to do that.
Now, they can’t have it both ways. If it’s spell then IT can’t benefit from upgrades and ignore the armor, or if it’s normal then armor should apply.
I’m afraid that if they chose to be consistent and chose one or another, then just to nerff IT a little they have to buff IT stats in a certain way.
To fix the bug and to nerff the IT stats is just plain stupid (overnerff) comparable with making Storm 125 energy and reduce the Radius of AOE.
Oh no, i was not implying that you would suggest such a thing. During my post i continually use the word they - the MoronTeam which has given ample proof of such stupid extreme (overnerffs and overbuffs) behaviour.
Tempest: Increased the Supply and nerffed the AtG by half.
Recall: Reduced the Area of effect by 800% and increased the CD.
Examlpes are many and zergs have reason to fear such stupidity in action…
The cooldown does need to be increased since it makes harassing or punishing protoss being out of position extremely difficult if not impossible since every 85 seconds they have a recall.
My post was not about the nerffs were appropriate or not (we will never agree on this subject and better move-on), it was to illustrate that they usually go ham in a nerff/buff (at least on this point we agree).
About Tempest, the initial change was not 15 Range to 10 Range, but 15 Range to 8 Range (a little less than 50%) which in anothet patch they changed to 10.
Infested Terrans got the bug fix but the other Nerf will not go through. It’s kind of like the question I originally purposed. If you get the bug fix but they change something to compensate. 1 point to me.