Improve your anti-cheat

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For 1v1 players cheating isn’t that big of a deal because you don’t have to queue into the same players over and over until you get to GM mmr.

For 2v2 players, we’re forced to play against the same map hackers over and over for hours on end.

Took you 20,000 games to ban purelegacy on his first account, and another 20,000 games to ban him again on his next.

You need to improve your anti-hack, I mean the players I queue against in the top 10 2v2 ladder are blatantly map hacking.

It’s one thing to run into a map hacker every once in a while, it’s another thing to be forced into the same game with the same map hacker for hours on end.

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It is mistifying to me how people cheat and manipulate the matchmaking and Blizzard does absolutely nothing. PureLegacy got 8k mmr on 4v4 manipulating and abusing the system and Blizzard did nothing.

Not even Maru or Serral can get that mmr on 4v4

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Every now and then, I’ll play WCS/tournament just to see how long I can go until I play vs a hacker. If you can make it to 3 opponents before playing, at best, an “ex hacker,” then you’ve done the impossible.

For instance, last night, I played a guy who was notorious for NEVER EVER SCOUTING in P vs P. He was just your standard hacker of that era that gave no care in the world. He was so blatant that he ended up finishing 5th in all of GM league, yet no one knows who he is, because gasp he’s not good.

Now? He plays Terran in LotV and is 5400 MMR. Yeah, let me get 5th in GM with Toss, go completely unknown, and then switch to Terran.

After playing 1 game vs guy, it’s just like lol… have fun hacking vs the next opponent. There’s no point in complaining/reporting anyone. What are you going to do, complain every match? Like trying to kill ants one by one.

Ignorance is bliss. These tournaments are absolutely embarrassing. The only “anti hack” in SC 2 is crossing your fingers and hoping the legit players are good enough to beat those who hack. It’s very sad.

You have to be clueless to advance far, else your mindset is just over. You don’t want anything to do with the cesspool.

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What is disgusting that they don’t ban even known hackers like purelegacy and let play vindicta even in wcs, hacking scum like this should be banned for like, it is worst kind of insect… It must be so boring playing with hacks, so idiots these guys, wish them slow death…

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I know it’s really stupid. Blizzard operates off this delusion that people will simply quit cheating.

I’m pretty sure purelegacy is a very good example of the mindset of your average cheater.

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I find it amusing that cheating to lose is a lifetime ban, but cheating to win gets you qualified for WCS and maybe a slap on the wrist if you get unlucky.

The fact that Vindicta, PureLegacy and thier ilk are allowed to compete at all is a joke, and not the funny kind.

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Yep “activision” blizzard is total garbage, worst company they don’t care about their customers and make coop missins so you are forced buy premium commanders and they even have audacity to make skin for addonds of buildings, dude i wouldn’t buy single skin for 0.1$ which any mapmaker could do for free, i would evne pay montly for playing this game, but this devs are total naz1s and human waste… They don’t deserve their customers… They didn’t even implemented multicore support, while they promised better performance in lotv, while it got worse, in hots it was fine. but in lotv you have massive fps drops even in high end pc with over 4 ghz cpu and like 1080 even…

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They actually did ban purelegacy for good, according to him. I’ve played a lot of hackers in my time. It’s really sick how the community treats ex hackers. They love these guys.

The first tournament I ever played in SC 2, I encountered the most blatant hacking of a Zerg that I’ve ever seen, to this day. Swear to god. That player? He’s now probably one of top rated NA Zergs in WCS.

The guy rallied all of his hatcheries to his main and sent his units to his main to stop a warp prism that he never even scouted. Didn’t even “know” I had a warp prism, much less one was about to warp in units in his base.

You know what happens when this happens? You BM the guy for hacking, and then YOU get banned from the tournament for BM. Swear to god.

It’s traumatizing man. You’d blow your brains out trying to play in tournaments in this game. I was so fed up, I didn’t try to play in another tournament for well over a year, despite being highly rated.

I looked into this guy’s history, and guess what… he was an admitted “ex hacker.” What a crock of horse s. So, how are we supposed to view “ex hackers” today? You know what’s sad? The guy even ended up joining the notorious hacking clan on NA, in HotS.

You’re a known hacker and you’re now playing for the hacking clan that is ruining the game, yet… does he have any reason to care? No. Who did anything? No one. No one has even brought it up before. Everyone in this scene is gutless and pathetic.

These guys steal so much money from the scene, and then the day they’re like “hey guys… I totally stopped hacking,” everyone is just supposed to be like “cool man. No one cared, anyways.”

People care more about not gg’ing than map hacking. You try playing a tournament in this kind of environment. It’s sick as s.

If a guy is really open about his cheating, it shows he has a conscience to some degree. I hated Crank with a passion. Still do. Lil punk. I was so fed up with his picking random and abusing it, on top of his whining, that I tried to stream cheat to see what race he was.

After seeing a guy in chat defend me, it made me sick. I’m not trying to make people look dumb and go out on a limb. So, when a guy is open… that’s not really who you have to fear. The guy who is probably cheating to this day is the guy you don’t know his history of cheating at all. What has vindecta said about cheating?

What have any of these guys said in regards to the extent of their cheating? If they won’t tell you, it’s cause they don’t want you to know how much money they stole. It’s a joke they haven’t been banned. Even if they are good now, how much of an adv was it in hacking? Basically playing a game while watching a replay at the same time. Prob helps… Either way, they should be banned.

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Yep i saw avilo got banned for acusing vindicata, even everyone dislike avilo. Still he had replay and facts, even he was angry, still explained it why he is hacking and he is known hacker, and than vindicata got banned for sharing accounts, while he was clearly hacking today there is no free speech and 90% of sc2 comminty are white knights and justice warriors and retards pretending… In middle age they would lock people like vindicta in a tree and let hit be eatean by insect, scum. I wish he just stop hacking, so annoying trash like this… It is just so disgusting, insect is more loveable than these guys…

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To be fair, Avilo is most definitely the boy who cried wolf. I can’t even play the guy without being accused. The guy is such a joke, that I didn’t believe Avilo either in regards to vindecta, because I honestly had no idea who he was.

I was playing Avilo on some super small map, where he, ofc, went mech. The whole game I was trying to AVOID his army, because the only thing you could do was try to kill expansions. The whole map was just chokes, lol. The era of mass PDD. It was horrible. Anyways, he was saying I was following his army around… just mirroring his army…

Like a zergling trying to follow a colossus around. I was in a team with Avilo in BW. I told everyone I knew then, that this was the most delusional guy I had ever met. He’s still top 3 for sure.

That said… Avilo is a good example of what happens to you. The hacker never gets banned from a tournament. The guy who gets banned is the guy who is mad that he played a hacker. Every time, unless maybe you’re Demuslim or some other big name. If you’re not a “big name,” don’t waste your time trying to complain or submit a replay.

I played a guy in a BW remastered tournament and some Aussie just straight up cheated by disconnecting after he lost. Like he lost his entire army and then rage quit, like he should have. But, he abused the fact that Rifkin has zero intelligence or knowledge about anything, and demanded a rematch.

Ofc I forfeited. It was ridiculous. After the tournament, Rifkin started bm’ing and talking s. I was on my way to the finals… if it wasn’t for this guy’s ignorance, yet he talks s to me? Rifkin is worse than a map hacker. Everything about playing in tournaments sucks man. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone legit.

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Can you blame him, he playes against 90% of same players which streamcheat and even hack, because he is big streamer and people don’t like him. So even he accuse people a lot, if you played against them whole day, it is not wonder, that you gonna accuse wrong people too. When i watch his stream he plays like same guys over and over which are streamcheating…

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You have to understand that Avilo is a nut, first and foremost. Avilo would come to me every day saying he just discovered an unbeatable build and would like to test it out on me. I just played him for the amusement.

I never lost even one game to the guy in BW. I would play w/e matchup he wanted. If he wanted me to off race, w/e. I seriously went at least 80-0 vs this guy. Yet, after every game he would lecture me on how I should have played. He only lost because I didn’t play correctly. So, he would try to tell me what I should do in the future.

This guy is INSANE. It’s not an act. He has serious, serious issues. But, due to his issues… he attracts trolls… that only makes his delusionals somewhat real. Who else is getting stream sniped man? Who else has anything like this going on? No one… cause no one freaking cares…

Who the h would care if they got stream sniped? No one, cause it’s moronic to care in the first place. By being an idiot, he attracts idiots to troll him. He needs to just stop being dumb. Seriously. That’s how you solve that.

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Yes he has issues no argument here, but what concerns streamcheating, if you played 90% people which are streamcheating, how could you even tell, than maybe you play one game legit and something shady happens so you accuse them of hacking, this is least weird thing in my opinion.

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Yeah, for sure. There’s definitely truth to that. People just kinda have a natural bias to assume what is most likely… In HotS, hacking was so bad at one point that… you just started off assuming your opponent was hacking until they gave you reason to think otherwise…

If I play EU now, though… it’s the exact opposite. Your environment shapes your expectations.

You just have to be smarter, at the end of the day. If I whine like a 3 year old anytime someone is named “captain big pants” and find a way to get on reddit for it, then guess what I’m going to attract? Now everyone is named captain big pants and trying to mess with me, cause they know it gets a rise out of me and them attention…

I think he largely uses stream cheating as an excuse for losing. Anyone with a brain cell knows if you legitimately think someone is stream cheating, you just check their match history. It takes 5 seconds to figure out the likelihood. He knows this, too.

Yeah, he does get sniped a lot, I’m sure. He also just uses it as an excuse, knowing he wasn’t sniped, too, but not wanting to acknowledge the real problem.

Also, there is a difference between sniping and stream cheating. Every GM has sniped someone at some point in time. One’s that come to my mind would be Naniwa and Forgg, personally. I doubt anyone is trying to stream cheat, though, unless you “bring it on yourself.” Getting stream sniped is more of an honor… the whole thing is silly.

I really don’t even believe in stream cheating. If you’d enjoy stream cheating, you’d just be a hacker to begin with. I think stream cheating is such a myth, 99% of the time.

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That’s not true at all. If you are stream cheating there is zero chance that you’ll ever get banned from the game.

On the flip side, if you’re injecting cheats into the game you’re likely to get banned if found out.

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The guy I mentioned earlier in the thread who didn’t scout a single game in HotS, he’s still playing. Account was never banned. Quite a few games, too. Who knows anyone that was banned in SC 2?

Before the purelgacy thing, who had heard of any kind of ramification or ban? I doubt his account was even banned, still.

No one could even tell you what the punishment was for hacking in a tournament, much less on ladder.

No one wants to stream cheat man. You play all these games legit and then you try to stream cheat and come off as a hacker. It just doesn’t make sense/isn’t worth it.

The only guy I’ve EVER heard of who actually said he liked stream cheating was Hitman, and that guy was one of the weirdest guys to ever be in the scene. No mouse pad and like using a ball mouse. That’s the kinda guy it takes to actively stream cheat… We’re talking about anomalies…

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If stream cheating wasn’t an issue orgs wouldn’t use delays during their broadcast. If you think the player base at the higher echelons of play aren’t using it as a tool to rank up then I dont know what to tell you

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Around 20% of people hack or have messed around with it, according to polls. How many do you think actively stream cheat? Punishments for maphacking have been completely unheard of until like this month… and the game is free to play.

There have been pros who hacked for many years and no one is even allowed to talk about it, because you’re only supposed to be supportive/fan boy.

If you’d like to stream cheat, there’s just no reason in the world to not map hack. It makes no sense. If you’re matched up with someone, the match making system is saying “hey… you have a shot to win.” It’s ladder… No one cares.

Of course people are going to put a delay on during tournaments. It’s courteous/sensible and you don’t want to create a situation where a guy has an excuse of “nah man, I wasn’t map hacking, I just had a stream open.”

It reminds me of BW. I was playing on West against some Koreans and my friend kept telling me what my opponent was doing. I’m like woah man… don’t do that. Why would you think I’d want to know? So, even if you don’t want to cheat, if someone wants you to win… there will be someone who tries to feed you information if it’s an important game.

But, really, you know who loves the myth of stream cheating? Hackers. They have to be laughing at how stupid people are. The only time these cheaters get publicity is when a streamer posts a game on reddit, and everyone is like “haha, man that guy loves his stream cheating.” Yo… I play these kids… and I’m not streaming. They’re not stream cheating. They’re hacking. All of them. So, please stop with the bs (people in general).

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I can’t tell you how many actively do it, but what I can tell you is that when you face the same players over and over again and they send 8 workers to your proxy blind while looking into the fog it gets annoying.

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Stream cheating is the brother of hacking. If you think someone is stream cheating, they’re hacking. No one who enjoys stream cheating is going to want to play legit. And no one who likes playing legit is going to want to stream cheat.

Stream cheating is just a facade that helps hackers escape culpability. There’s no punishment for stream cheating, yet no one ever comes out and talks about stream cheating. No one even cares about map hacking to begin with. It just goes to show how rare it is.

Enough people hack that no one wants you to know this, though.

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