How about you put yourself in the shoes of the guy who scanned and wasn’t able to kill the observer. CLEARLY there was a problem of imbalance in this scenario.
While the balance team concluded it was because the observer was too fast, but maybe it’s a 2 part imbalance problem. The observer was way too fast. It’s still too fast. And it has TOO MUCH HP. There, I said it.
60 HP? Crazy. One marine can’t even instant kill that man. Think of the Terrans. Stop being selfish OP.
No supply obs sounded OP to me at first, since I could then litter the map with them.
Then I figured they at least have a cost, and zerg gets to do the same for free, and I don’t feel so bad.
But when Special scans his opponent’s observers instead of leading the scan and then following up by not 1-aing his 3 Marines, what else is he going to blame? His massive misplay? Naw screw that, it’s easier to blame FrUsTrAtIoN.
If it’s not broken, don’t try to fix it (unless it’s Protoss). Nothing is more effective than being a Terran that complains about things that aren’t even remotely broken.
There’s always something to complain about. If I were Terran, I’d be complaining about the tempest being TOO BAD. If the tempest wasn’t the worst unit in the universe, a Toss player may have decided to invest in this unit and would have, perhaps, lost the game instead of won.
There’s always something to complain about. Last time I checked, Terran was only winning around 60% of their games. If there is any universal truth that we’ve all heard ad nasuem, it’s that your average Terran player (Swaann) is skilled enough to win 100% of games, if the game were even remotely balanced.
Why does everyone complain about the observer speed in the context of dodging scans? The biggest way that would be affecting my games is that Protoss can scout my base faster. Being that Protoss has middling scouting potential, what’s the big deal with bringing it closer to what Terran has?
Has anyone talked to any pro about MULEs and scans? Terran is unplayable without MULEs. So yes, a scan does cost 250 minerals because you’re giving up a MULE to do it.
And this matters why?
Ravens have spells. Same for overseers (if less directly useful for combat), which are less expensive than you listed them as; the upgrade is only 50/50, not 150/50. So that should be 500/150 for Zerg, which is effectively cheaper than getting out an Obs due to the lower gas cost by your method.
Terran has Scan, which is just 150minerals after a barracks, which is the best form of detection, since the investment is low and sniping orbitals to deny detection is not an option; Ravens requiring a larger investment to get out if you just want one for detectionis fine in that context.
Also, Overseers and Orbitals cost no supply, so Terran/Zerg aren’t actually limited in how much detection they can have. Observers take supply and cost gas, when Protoss is making a gas intensive army and has limited supply to spare for Obs. Even if Obs cost no supply, Protoss wouldn’t be making all that many of them; Gas is too tight to invest 250m/750g into 10 observers.
Every race is making those basic structures no matter what, so factoring their cost into the cost of the unit makes no sense regardless. Protoss makes gate/core for units and tech no matter what. Same with Zerg getting pool/lair.
Only for the first 6-8 minutes. Once they have fully saturated bases, Terran has the best economy. Each individual worker also has more HP, can be repaired, and is a slightly lower portion of the mining., and mules can compensate for lost workers, making each loss a bit less punishing.
TBH, Toss would probably much rather have orbitals than chrono or observers.
225 minerals*, and the cost isn’t really THAT high, since the information and detection are very often more valuable than the 225 minerals over ~1 minute that a mule gives. At the pro level, Terrans pretty much always have energy for scan if they think they might need it, and by the time they need scans for detection, the money from mules isn’t such an issue.
One chronoboost will give you 0,83 extra probe . And is free from start of the game and you can chrono every 64 sec .
If you make orbital you will pay 150 mineral and lose 2 scv building time for utility mule that will mine as 3.45 scvs =You will get extra 1.45 scvs vs just making scvs .once per orbital …
If you use chrono only 2x per Nexus you will mine more then terran per orbital … and every 64 s you will get more ahead.
Terran is losing mining time by building buildings
Protoss is able to take 3.faster then terran .
every worker makes ± 1 mineral/s …
That means that one extra worker in 8 min will give you 480 mineral extra.
Every scan is expensive you need to be able to kill that Overseers for one scan or terran will be even more behind in eco
At the pro level babe, they don’t have extra scans until the mid/late game. You can’t afford to lose out on a MULE. I assume you’ve never played Terran lol
I did specify “if they think they might need it”. Pro Terrans often save enough energy for 1 scan on one of their first 2 orbitals rather than just dropping mules constantly.
What do you need a scan for before the mid game? By the time something like a DT rush hits, Terran usually have a scan saved at the pro level, unless they left it entirely unscouted.
Just go watch some games… Pro Terrans tend to scan a LOT in TvZ. Not so much in TvT or TvP until the mid game, because they don’t have as much reason to.
Yes, Protoss gets their third up faster (usually) because Terran is almost always doing something aggressive, like dropping or doing a timing, and how easily they can hold that 3rd depends a lot on what the Terran is doing; it’s possible to punish a fast 3rd by the Protoss. If Terran is not doing anything aggressive, they can get their 3rd at about the same time.
Probes also cost minerals and supply to make, and Protoss never chrono until after the first pylon.
And an orbital will mine 1800 minerals in 8 minutes if you use only mules, while also letting terran mine with more than the normal maximum efficiency.
Protoss gets a lead in eco very early on, but that flips around once bases are saturated.
protoss deserves a buff for the level of this post it took me 5 mins to click reply i have tears and abs this the goat post of 2019 and it showed up on new years eve with one hour left over here
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