I have been thinking about getting back into starcraft 2 recently, after being unhappy with the stylistic direction of the game (unwillingness to accept the differences compaired to its predecessor). I have decided to swollow my pride, and was interested in finding out if the last 8 years have been kind to this game, and if it is worth picking back up.
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Its free. If you don’t like it, Uninstall it.
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It is not worth it, and the gameplay is all about speed, no strategy at all.
Whatever race you play, this is an APM game, not a Real Time Strategy game.
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Completely untrue. If you did a bronze league strategy with better mechanics you’d still be like mid gold.
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Game is solid and the balance is pretty good. Pick a race you enjoy playing, learn some strats and go at it. Mechanics are more important early on (which is the same for every RTS, as it turns out RT > S when you’re bad). Once your mechanics are solid, it’s all about reading your opponent and knowing what transitions to make; when to attack and with what…it’s been really fun for me
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It’s the exact opposite. Learning proper openings and build orders with bad mechanics can get you to masters pretty easily. To make it higher is what takes better mechanics.
Trust me, a gold league player turtling on 2 bases with 10 turrets at 15 mins isn’t being held back by mechanics.
Oh really? Cool, I’ll learn a serral build order and be supply blocked and float 2000/2000 at the 7 minute mark. Definitely makes me a Master leaguer.
“But if you learned the BO you wouldn’t be floating/blocked”
Yes, because I will have those mechanics down via learning the BO.
You can know the best build orders in the world, but if your mechanics are incapable of executing it, it means nothing. Mechanics > BOs.
Q.E.D.
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Hence the game being about speed and not strategy, since teh BOs are not hard to learn at all, and the maps always being mirrored.
If you want a true RTS game, you have AoE2:DE, because SC2 is a game about learning a few BOs, and executing them ever slightly faster for efficiency.
Oh really? My friends that are heavily in to that game say the same as you’re saying about SC2. Mechanics > Strategy.
Even if you strategically understand unit placement and counters in that game, it means nothing if you’re not good at setting your production and econ up in a timely manner or if you lack the mechanics to deny a tower rush.
Not if wall in, which is much more effective than in SC2.
AoE2 is much more about Eco than micro or production.
In fact, if you are continuously producing units, you are trading poorly, and will lose due to lack of Gold, very quickly.
Exactly. If you fail to master the mechanics, you will lose. Thank you for arguing my point.
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Except that AoE2 mechanics are much less dependant on speed, and good strategy can actually trump over mechanics in AoE2.
And good strategy can trump mechanics in SC2. The key word is can. The crux of your argument is that mechanics are so central to sc2 that there is no amount of strategy that can overcome a skill difference in the area of mechanics which is simply not true. I’ve definitely overcome players with more solid mechanics than me purely by being able to read and respond with a better, on the spot created, strategy despite the fact that I miss injects, float income, and get supply blocked when my opponent doesn’t. This is because blindly executing build orders without understanding the why and without being able to think about how your opponent is going to respond combined with scouting leaves you weak in critical areas and susceptible to losing in situations where your mechanics were solid.
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Yes, start playing again! Game is very fun. Unfortunately the Sc2 forums are much worse.
No, it cannot. SC2 is speed and execution.
The faster you can execute a BO, the higher you can climb with it.
Actual SC2 pro players will tell you as much. Even hard counter (or what passes for it in SC2), cannot trump over speed.
Speed is everything in SC2. Just being faster makes you better.
Naw, it isn’t. You’re just ignorant to how SC2 is played and have an elitist quality vis-a-vis AoE.
BW elitists have the same thought despite the fact that mechanics are, if anything, more central to that game than in SC2 due to the difficulty of micro and lack of QoL.
But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion, regardless of how incorrect it might be.
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No. You are wrong.
I am not saying that AoE2 is a better game, only that SC2 has no strategy to it.
Most people will prefer SC2, and can climb to higher ranks in it, opposed to AoE2.
That is because, in AoE2, being faster helps, but will get you to a roadblock much sooner than in SC2.
How many people does this game have reaching GM every league, on silly strats?
A lot, compared to AoE2. Hard counters and Defenses in AoE are so brutally hard, that speed or micro does not help you at all. If you are wasting Gold, you planned poorly, and just lose.
In the meantime, SC2 has a race whose design philosophy is having inefficient units but fast replenishment of population.
Sc2 has a strong amount of strategy, it just doesn’t appear that way when you’re sh*t tier at the game. It’s not your fault you’re wrong, but if you dislike the game just uninstall and leave instead of being a little bisha.e
I also find it hilarious that you say that mechanics don’t factor in as much in AoE but then list a bunch of examples of how mechanics factor in. 200IQ
Nope. There are plenty of players with 100 apm in masters 1. Decision making is the most important thing for players in lower leagues.
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I already uninstalled a month ago, I am just here for laughs now.
Thanks for the laugh. Clowns are funny.
You got emotional because you cannot back up your arguments, which just makes the joke better.
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