How to Deal with Pure Turtle Toss as Zerg

Zerg Discussion
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Hello,

I am around 4K MMR and I went against a frustrating Protoss player who opens up forge expand into a hidden 3rd. I tried bane busting him with little success and then he turtles up to skytoss. I am quitting this game but I need closure on how to beat this strategy. Here is a replay for reference. Ignore the bm.

You can see my replay at spawning tool. The number at the end of the url is 69724.

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you dont, you uninstall this game and never play it again

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i am also struggling against toss atm.
what I saw at Lambo:

  1. 3 base → 66 Worker into different timing push. even I like hydra push.
  2. 3 Base → 66 Worker into 4/5 Base late game: ~4-6 Ultra, 20 Corrupter, 2-4 Viper.
  3. 12 Pool → win or go back to 1 or 2.

I find Turtle is generally a hard case because it becomes a patience game as a zerg. until the map has no more mineral or toss attacks.

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16 hatch
16 gas
16 pool
double queen
speed
banelingnest

=> allin if it works trashtalk if it fails trashtalk and leave

my go to zvp order. Works quite well since 90% of toss dont know you can attack befor the 30min mark…

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It’s important to hit timings.
→ vs. Voidray opening you need to hit a ling/bane/hydra timing to deny / destroy bases or the toss gets too rich.
There is also a double adept opening, chargelot allins (often with wp + 2 immortals or with a couple of voidrays) so a baneling nest at like 4min doesn’t hurt.

late-game:

  • Just try to survive with lurkers & queens.
  • 2-4 ultras, like 6-12 broodlords, 2x4 or 2x3 vipers + mass corruptors is pretty good)
    Also get defensive upgrades asap once you see the air transition!
    → The “lowko maneuver” (parasitic bomb on the carriers, then hug them with your corruptors is pretty good; better with fungal of course).
    → See Lambo videos for explanations.
    → The most important part about lategame is that you should NEVER get too many squishy units (like infestors + ravagers), if the toss is going for a few archons + HTs + mass carriers.
    → A ton of spores also really help - zergs can turtle pretty well until the toss gets a few tempests with +damage vs. buildings and maybe a few disruptors.
    → Vision is really important: Search for the toss army and incoming attacks!
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watched the replay. nice scout on the ninja base. Wow did toss build a million cannons.