How to counter vipers as terran?

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Abduct 9 range is stupid, counter every terran unit: tank, thor, bc, viking,liberator.
Swarm host and nydus are cancer. It ruins the game.

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Ghosts have 10 range steady target and 10 range EMP that can have a 2 radius. Adding ghosts lategame is mandatory.

Locust are the problem.

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Liberators. When they abduct your liberators they go off of siege mode and being that they’re fairly tanky they can just fly back and set up again.

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No dude, they counter liberators hard

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Have you tried: playing better than the Zerg ?

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Special says otherwise, pal.

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You need 2 EMP hits on viper to drain it. It will take 150 energy from your ghost and 200 from viper. Viper than goes home and drinks from some spore. Next time, your ghost has 70 energy, viper 200. Vipers are faster and when going for pull, they go one by one so EMP several is hardly ever an option.

Also, you cant snipe viper, snipe gets interupted by pull and now your ghost is dead.

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hey yeah that’d be a balanced fix, just remove the energy gain ability from the viper

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Zone with Thors and missile Turrets and snipe the Vipers. No, it’s not easy, but no one said Terran had easy control (except for like almost any moron Zerg on the forums).

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It could work, but we all saw how building thors if vipers are out goes… And T turret can’t move and dont have range to keep them away.

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Ghosts + vikings. Emp if they try to move lots of vipers forward, if they only move 1 it will get picked off by 1 round of viking attacks.

But in general, I agree with you, Terran doesn’t really have a SOLID counter for vipers. Even when you kill the vipers they’ll para bomb or abduct 1 unit and still get some damage.

If it was broodwar you could irradiate. In sc2 they really encourage deathball play and it kinda sucks.

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lolwat thors are not the solution. vipers just yoink the thors and poof you just lost an expensive unit

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vikings = 9 range. Thor =10-11 range. The problem is just behind the keyboard.

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vipers still yoink lol, can’t really walk away fast enough to get out of range

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While it’s not easy, and I would never say something as stupid as:

Vipers have a much smaller hit box. Thors cannot fly and will be impeded by brood lings and zerg lings. Terran also has a million more things to do than just a move and cast a few spells.

It’s still possible. The control is just in favor of the Zerg. (How a Zerg player can watch Roach Hydra Viper and be astounded by the control that unit comp takes is beyond me.

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Terran is too busy writing his whine post on battle while his tanks are shooting, he doesn’t have time to add vikings and amove them into vipers.

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lost in discussion = use “blame someone as whiner” card

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I love how everyone in the Starcraft scene with an opinion worth having acknowledges how much harder Terran micro is. Then literally no one said Zerg had harder micro, Zergs all just decided they had the hardest micro, then they all just decided to believe it.

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Nah, but maybe increase the damage it deals to structures…

Also people here are slightly biased… the cooldown on “drinking” is quite high already… So it’s not as strong as described here…
Anyways - for balance - If increased damage to own structures isn’t sweet, then slightly more cooldown in addition.

I want to say, “use ghosts in the lategame” seem a good phrase to say to terrans, -.-"

but most people seem to not knowing the core concept problem in balance here. Ghosts are REACTIVE (aka newton’s law). So they are relatively weaker to any offensive things, because in order to be offensive you can have any skill. In order to be defensive and counter exactly at the time that Viper comes or is going to abduct (EMP, SNIPE, etc), it takes a very meticulous timing and “skill”… and as some pointed out, the EMP will barely hit more than one unit, it’s more of a playy-thing / luck-game if you can sneak through a cloaked ghost to the camping enemy/ army.

Sorry, but that’s how it is - you should not love this explanation “I love how every one…” but truth.

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Have you tried actually contributing rather than saying ‘play better than your opponent’ every topic?
Except when its whining against terran, somehow you are fine with that:)

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