Geez you are so dumb, not on the ladder… You complete joke everything you say omg… You only flame, while having no idea what you are talkingabout and don’t read and than flame more. Geez forums scrub…
Don’t worry, he always say other people are idiots when they don’t agree with him.
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Yes just call everyone idiots and dumb. You are clearly the arbiter of knowledge and skill
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No, no, and NO! Time is on his side 180%. You hit before his economic advantage has time to kick in.
You’re on the right track. One he does get enough charge Zealots you’re toast.
Another option is to go double reactor Vikings and hit with about 14 (one-shot on Col) and just ignoring the phoenix. I don’t love this though, because even if you target down the Colossus, you still have to split and burrow mines, split and kite with bio, ignore and target fire the Col, they just reinforce with Charge zealots and now you have 30 supply in vikings and they just walk over you.
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1 battlecruiser?..
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If he opens Phoenix just get marine with stim and kill him. Whenever I see that stuff its time to go with what you have. The earlier you attack when they go stargate tech the better. Its the same thing when Zerg does a muta swap, no better time to end the game than when mutas come out.
You will not be disadvantaged because you will have triple orbital and the superior army.
Clem made the right call by not moving out and trying to 2 base push against mana. Clem won the game even though he butchered his engagement against manas questionable move out.
You do NOT play into the Protoss players hands though. It’s a defensive build meant to punish all early Terran aggression. If the Protoss player plays perfectly he can respond to anything the Terran decides to do
Watch maru vs stats g1 of 2019 wcs global finals. Maru same response iirc 3rd CC
Phoenix colossus cannot do game ending damage while you macro up
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If the Protoss slips up this can work. But otherwise if the Protoss plays perfectly (he should be getting guaranteed scout) he can hold everything while coming out ahead. You said it yourself. The proper way to play against Phoenix colossus is not to play into their hand.
There is no disadvantage to macroing against Phoenix colossus
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Defensively a tank with turrent or widow or bio. Tank hard counter colossus. And Phoenix dont wanna mess with those other 3. If you’re talking offensively…marine maruder push…put marauders in front. If he tries to walk you and its below masters league he will simply walk and a click and theyll hit maruder first which you’ll catch it and kill it first. Bio destroy Phoenix (rines). Now if a protoss has 5 colossus and mass Phoenix then at this point you should have thors or bio/tank. (Sorry if I misread the question. Kinda busy)
Psst, do you know a Terran unit that counters both of those?
It’s called vikings, and I’m not even a Terran player, and OP suddenly says he can’t beat Phoenix Colossus when Terran literally has a unit that counters both of them.
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Dude, have you ever even seen a PVT? You try playing late game when you don’t pressure a Protoss, tell me how that works out for you. Please don’t lie (again) and say you’re an experienced Terran player. We all know it’s B.S. Just please save yourself that embarassment.
HAVE YOU ever seen a PvT? What dumb stuff are you spewing here?
The reason Terran harass isn’t because they are forced to, but because they can afford to.
Mobile, cheap, efficient cost units.
Why not deal damage when you can deal damage?
Are you one of those Terran dumbo?
Due to the immobility of Protoss army (Due to warpgate being Protoss’s thing, and I believe is already a balanced thing, or at least not as broken as these TCF spew, but still getting nerf with gateway unit nerfs and overtune), Protoss needs to put 4-6 stalkers to stop 2 medivacs dropping into a base (Mind you, it’s to kill the medivacs, 4-6 stalkers can’t kill 2 medivacs worth of units).
Terran being aggressive makes it so that the Protoss main army weak and splitted, you might think 4-6 stalkers isn’t much, but then you realize that’s basically 12-18 when you have 3 base. Due to this weakness, Protoss main army won’t move out until at high amount of supply.
Terran harass not because they are forced to, but because it gives so much benefit to them, just playing the Terran race already force Protoss to prepare. But ofc, Protoss player don’t usually blame balance, because we understand it’s something to prepare, not to react to.
But, the Terran seeing the warp prism? “OEMGEH SO OP”.
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Are you trying to build a strawman or are you just that dense
We are talking about Phoenix colossus specifically.
You know, the extremely defensive build that can shut down all forms of early game pressure if played properly.
Is your understanding of playing Terran so poor that you think there’s only one way to play the race?
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Dude, don’t suggest PVT is harder on the Protoss. That’s simply incorrect. You can ignore hundreds of thousands of different ladder rankings and… every professional opinion on the matter, but people play PVT one way, because you can play pvt one way. And it requires better micro, better macro, and better multitasking than Protoss.
RIght, juggle range is is impactful in PVT, right? That was why they nerfed the prism. It was Terran? lol. Give me a break, kid.
Wow you’re dense.
We are talking about Phoenix Colossus build here.
Can you read it now?
Uh… If you have those, then yeah, you deserve to win against the other player… Was this not a common facts?
If you don’t micro better or don’t macro better, or don’t multi task better, then you really shouldn’t win, unless you are winning strategically.
Don’t understand the dumb logic some of you have.
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Right. You have to do everything better to win as Terran. Used to be you have to play only about 20 or 30% better to go 50/50. Now, it’s not even close.
Seems like bull 
to me, for the reason stated above when you are going Bio, and for the simple fact you don’t/can’t die until late game when playing Mech.
Where are those numbers even come from.
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Lol why are you so insecure about race difficulty to bring it up now?
Even though I think Terran is easier, it has nothing to do with this discussion. This discussion is about counterplay to a build specific build.
If you are unwilling to come to terms with the fact that there is more than one way to play Terran, especially against a build specifically designed to neuter almost all forms of early pressure, then that’s your problem.
This topic already has replays of Clem and maru responding to Phoenix colossus with triple cc macro and subsequently mopping the floor with mana, stats, respectively with their far superior compositions and you’re going to sit here and say it’s not viable? It’s literally the only way to beat it on paper aside from BC opener
Like i said a Terran player can get away with a push If the Protoss player messes up but relying on mistakes is not actual the actual strategic counterplay
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Because I’m doing everything in my power to make this kind of game as easy as possible. Only one race has an easy to control late game. Terran is like 10/10, Zerg is 9.5/10, Protoss is a solid 4/10. Outside of the pro level, NO ONE wants to go late game vs Protoss.
You’re WAY wrong.
It has everything to do with this discussion. You have ZERO understanding of Terran and you’re giving advice to play in a completely counterproductive manner.
Even if we assume what youre saying is true, youre talking about a level that the game isnt balanced around.
This topic isnt “how do you beat 5 phoenix colossus below the GM level”…it’s “how do you beat 5 phoenix colossus” PERIOD. This means what is the counterplay to the actual build… not the build in the hands of players whom the game isn’t balanced around.
Below that level you can do anything you want and yea, you can get away with trying to push a Protoss player going phoenix colossus because that protoss player will likely play sub optimally. That discussion is irrelevant.
The fact of the matter is that the proper way of playing against the build is to go into a macro game.
ROFL
So I show you a replay of the most successful Terran of LotV responding to the most successful protoss of LotV’s phoenix colossus in literally blizzcon, and the Terran’s response is exactly what I say it is, and I am the one with no understanding of the game?
Topic creator himself posted another pro replay showing the Terran doing what I say should be done…and yet I have no understanding of the game.
Of course youre already backtracking by saying that you are only talking about sub pro level now though, because you know I am correct.
Just admit it and move on.