Tanks obviously don’t work vs phoenix, or mines vs colossus. You can’t drop. Only thing i can think off is marauder and mine, or maybe 5 rax tank marine. Problem is Protoss decides his tech much later than Terran, i would have to know he is going to do that from start. Even reaper scout can be denied with 1 adept and you can’t afford scan in this matchup + it doesn’t tell you anything many times. Also if he has 1 stalker before your base you can’t even sneak up scv to scout… Protoss can open phoniex 5, colossus just to hold and than he can do what ever he wants.
Its a meme build that concentrates on teching up fast. Phoenix need investment. So does collosi. If you lose to it, your play was inadequate.
As for how to beat it? I never played vs it but both mines and tanks could work on defensive. Just have to build the 2 units not tanks OR WMs. If you play monobattles, you will lose to any strategy more complex than monobattle.
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You pull SCVs. Let scvs soak Colossi damage. Bio deal damage. Problem solved
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Yeah i thought about 5 rax scv pull, but still that doesn’t work half of the times. Protoss can scout it and turtle with shield batteries or even get storm.
They don’t need storms. They can ramp up Immortals + Archons.
Maybe you can try 2 starports Viking + Ghosts. I saw many pros do that
Really, thing is you can’t afford 2 starports on 2 bases, you won’t have gas and you need also medivacs and it will hit so late, protoss can get storm easily by that time. They have 3 obs, oracle, they see what you are doing, but finding what Protoss doing is problem. They have so many options and can kill you if you are not careful instantly !
Sorry. I was not clear. Im talking about 3 bases. 2 starports + ghosts should be affordable.
Then maybe 3 bases all in? Or play normal game.
Yeah but if you don’t do dmg with 2 base all in you autolose. You can’t play straight up macro. That’s the problem. Normaly what you do is 2 port before 5 rax and than go reactored vikings and add ghosts. Problem you are behind, you need to do damage with your first push, or you will be too behind…
Well that’s the thing. If you realize he’s going Phoenix colossus you start expanding. Get 3rd. Protoss won’t have the gateway strength to threaten you.
Phoenix colossus is a defensive, so just start macroing up
Even if you expand your third will be late… You will be in disadvantage, because Protoss has economic lead. You don’t expand vs Protoss, every pro game is 2 base all in, than you if do dmg, you can macro out of that. And than he will attack off 3-4 base … If you expand. It is kinda coinflipp maybe if you drop and he don’t see it you can do some dmg, if he has phoenix with his army, but probably not enough if he just pull probes. Or 2 rax timing may do dmg , but probably not…
GM protosses do it on ladder seems pretty strong.
They can’t dmg if you expand ? haha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZHHKrGBfO83 base Protoss when terrans 3rd cc just finishes…
I mean i could make pure marauder mine and try to have good engagement, but scan is coinflipp. He can go as easily to zealot/archon etc. I can’t scan his whole base. And Terran decides first what tech he choses, while Protoss can adjust after scouting with obs. And yet he can all in you so if you don’t build 2 tanks you autolose…
I guess i will try what is said, didn’t play vs colossus phoenix long tiem. usually it is chargelot spam, or weird all ins.
2 base T timing push always have one thing in common: there are a lot of marines. P just has to make Colossi and problem is solved.
I just don’t know why many P don’t like early Colossi in PvT. Strange to me. Storms are more expensive and more unreliable. Mass zeal + stalker is meh…
Yeah storms, pros split well. So pros don’t play storms as much. Collosus phoniex, you can easily scout and hold most of the time. Also depends on maps too. If there are chokes etc.
Still chargelot immortal/archon pretty good for holding most pushes. There are so many. If you don’t scan right tech, than you make 3 tanks and it is archons you autolose… And phoniex also counter mine drops !!! Which is important scout for terran.
No. But I mean the Ps that goes pure zeals + stalkers. I really dont understand.
I dont know how many times I have said about factory units. They are trash against P. A proper P can always keep track of T army movement. And with Colossi + Immortals + small numbers of Stalkers. why would some P need zealots walk into WMs?
3 sentries + 2 observer are enough for army tracking
That depends what goes terran, stalkers are trash vs stimmed bio and tanks. But you can hold with stalker fine i think some pushes. And you can wiggle down unit count with stalkers, or blink into their base when they move out… Thing is almost anything you do works…
They have:
gateway spam
archo zealot/ immortal
zealot/immortal/storm
colossus/blink/sentry
colossus/sentry zealot.
colossus phoniex
Almost anything that comes to your mind works…
And so many all ins:
blink
immortal chargelot
blink dts chargelot
warprism all in
So many all ins that can kill you: if you scan their natural you see no gases so you know all in, but if they have gases than you don’t know their tech, it is so coinflippy.
e.g. if i reaper scout twilight and than they go blink dts and i have 2 tanks = autoloss
1 adept can 2 times hit reaper and shade can finish it and than they can throw tech, so reaper doesn’t even scout anything many times, or you can keep it to check for third, but than you don’t know what they are up to…
That’s problem with TvP so many games end to all in, or build order loss, or some cheese or in midgame!
This is what i usually play against T. And it’s super effective. I also add 1 HT to feedback Raven. Those pushes and so underwhelming.
A marauder heavy bio comp with Viking support.
Is there any protoss army comp or strategy you terrans won’t complain about?
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Ok you diamond or worse. What do you know, you just trolling on the forums. I asked legit question. Colossus phoenix is hard to beat…
Problem is, if you go marauders, they will spam zealots, so you include mines. BUt you won’t have vikings by the time attack hits. Because you need medivacs and than you would have 2 vikings, that doesn’t do anything. And if i throw double startport, before i get gas for it, you cant do that on 2 bases… And if i go third, Protoss will attack me off 3-4 bases, because i will be behind. That’s why every game Terran tries to all in off 2 bases, because if you don’t do dmg with it, you are behind and Protoss can kill you. That’s why phoniex colossus is tough to beat!
I mean what do i do with my 2 base attack, drops are not effective and are coinflipp vs phoenix. Marauder mine sorta, but i have to scout colossus tech, what if he makes in on edge of his base and than i don’t know what is doing and go marduder and he just makes chargelot archon/ immortal.
You need the guy that says IM HEVY MEDL when he exits the factory. Im just plat 2, but still, ive found that thors pretty much destroy slow stuff like collossi. They also have insane aa dps
Ahaha thors don’t work, take so much gas and armory, he can just make zealots and immortals. Thors are not really viable in TvP And all 1 base attacks are not good against protoss, because shield battery and if he probes scouts, he will just sit there on 2 bases and you lose. You are relying on him to not scout, so that’s like gambling…