He doesn’t actually say it was thousands of years ago though. Like, we know there are alien races other than the Big Three that are at least nominally active, if for no other reason than because the protoss have rules for interacting with them. There isn’t specifically any reason he couldn’t have done it like three years ago, when all those Xel’naga temples were activating like in Shadow of the Xel’naga, especially if the temples that they were left on are displaying something like a text document which can be re-written at will, instead of something carved in the rock.
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3 years ago is not “primitive”.
Primitive doesn’t mean old.
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Kinda like how they’re the primal zerg yet seemingly more advanced than regular zerg.
Anyway, I don’t think the timing is exactly relevant. Could have been 3 years ago or 3000, the results are still the exact same. And prophecy is still a real psionic ability in StarCraft 2 that’s used by pretty much everyone and their dog:
https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/PrecognitionI mean just think if a Terran can do it, then a Xel’Naga doing it must be the full-on real thing.
SWARM: Kal’dir —> Zerus —> Char —> Space —> Skygeirr
Being scattered, Kerry knows it’s stupid to assault Char (If you seize Char first, then Kal’dir is left out since Zagara’s brood has Hydras and Roaches already). After taking over Nafash’s high-evolved army, Kerry tends to make her way onto Char. But— guess star Zeratul interferes and makes her believe she can take back the sexy form so she heads to Zerus and becomes Queen B*tch of the Universe -again. Then, she goes back to Char and kicks asses. Ruthless Mengsk uses Raynor to threaten her to be a kitty, but women are so cunning therefore she reaches out to Horner (Kerry loves Jimmy so he’s her priority. Beside, destroying Skygeirr will alert Mengsk so he will tighten Raynor’s securiry, make her cannot kill Mengsk nor save Jim).
VOID: Shakuras —> Glacius —> Korhal —> Ulnar —> Slayn —> Endion —> Revanscar
After what happened on Aiur, it’s urgent to save Shakuras before Amon reaches it (Aiur and Shakuras are linked by Warpgates, everyone knows this). Besides, feeling sinful of banishing the Dark Templars and now the death of Zeratuk by his hand, Atarnis must make haste for the DTs’ home world. At this point of the game, they don’t show us players that Artanis being acknowledged of Amon’s terrans pet, so he intends to go and grab some useful weapons in a quick way, hence encountering tough love Alarak. After showing his hand wearing Zeratul’s guantlet to Raynor, they two farewells. Much later on, Artanis manages to forge a bargain with Alarak (the more you delay, the weirder it looks to see Alarak wandering on the Spear of Adun). Now, moving to Endion is safer as you have a large army readying for the worst case if the Purifier are to rebel. And because it’s called secret lab, having discovered Revanscar just now makes sense right?
That’s it. Have fun with gameplay !!
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Makes sense, but it ain’t canon.
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Because Zerg don’t have technology. Primal is usually more powerful in a physical manner and in sheer ferocity, but with a lesser degree of technology.
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I think each Xel’Naga has a unique quirk (like in my hero academy; if you haven’t watched it yet, then what are you waiting for? Go binge it ASAP!) For Duran, it’s shapeshifting. For Amon, it’s idiocy. For Ouros, it’s an ability to simulate the future? The Protoss’ compressed history is helping here. Moreover, Ouros is extremely ancient, simulating a couple of millennia into the future should be as far for him. It’s like imagine what would happen in a couple of day, provided that you have about 30 years worth of data.
Makes sense, but not canon…
I can somewhat understand postponing Korhal until after Sharkurus, but if you’re going to postpone it further until after Glacius, I need you to make a much better case.
Additionally, getting the Keystone is literally Zeratul’s last wish. He was going to grab it before Amon shows up. If anything his death should nudge Artanis toward Korhal not Sharkurus.
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Artanis’ duty is to all his people, not just Zeratul. He needs to make sure theyre safe before he even considers going on the offensive.
Well , unless there is a confirmation from Blizzard themselves, I don’t believe in ‘canon’. And they also leave the order for us to choose, don’t they?
As for LotV, you can go to Jim right after rescuing the DTs alright, for I used to do that. But once again it seems Blizzard had made many hole during Campaign making, so I don’t mind adding my own details and so can you. Which is why I’d like to think Artanis simply plans to go to Glacius just to ‘grab and go’, and the mission is pretty fast too. When you go to Glacius and click on Korhal, Artanis says something like “…At last, I can fulfill Zeratul’s final request” which sounds touching given the voice acting.
I believe Artanis will care for the people. I’d prefer to think Zeratul chooses his death to give Artanis the push, remind him to be stronger, to not be worried nor confused, than “you must find the Keystone at once, Artanis”, which is not his last line tho.
Before we continue this further, are you trying to argue that Artanis should go to Korhal after Sharkurus or after Gradius?
It is announced by Blizzard, officially. That’s why we declare it canon.
That’s literally the basis of our discussion on this forum. I admit that sometime I go with this concept to quite a crazy range. You’ll see it eventually, if you’re here long enough.
I’d like to think Artanis simply plans to go to Korhal just to ‘grab and go’ as well. How could he know that Korhal was under attacked prior to his visiting? Moreover, the importance of the Keystone far outweighs whatever it is on Glacius.
The mission is fast because the forking Alarak is there. Artanis is forced to rush it.
Yes, it is a good line. Not sure how this helps your case, though.
Okay, you could certainly interpret the story that way, but you need to present some in-game evidence to support your claim. Or pointing out that since the game never specifies it one way or the other, this is up for our interpretation. Either one is fine for me. Except I don’t see either to be the case here. Zeratul was clear about his wish which is…
It may not be his exact last line, but it pretty much is what he meant. He keeps nagging Artanis to do it non-stop. At the beginning of the story, halt the reclamation and get the Keystone. Before the Corruption of the Khala, we must get the Keystone before it’s too late. His last line, the Keystone will guide you to the Xel’Naga. Somehow Artanis interprets this as ‘Nah, I can take my sweet time to grab this Keystone thingy’? He refused to listen to Zeratul before and it backfired in his face so bad that he pretty much lost all his armada. If you want to claim that Artanis go to Korhal after Glacius, you need a much stronger case. Artanis doesn’t know what the Keystone would do, what if it’s time sensitive? The ambiguity with the Keystone means that even if you grab it, you will still require time to figure what to do with it; better grab it as soon as you can to begin the study, don’t you think?
Not gonna lie, thought you wrote Gradius for a moment.
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Okay, let me make this clear. I don’t insist my idea is the best. I do the mission order base on 2 things:
SC2 campaign is filled with gaps and I don’t like it much as I do SC1 and I’m not the only one. It seems Blizzard didn’t put all effort. If there is a correct order, they should’ve done that in the beginning and I would gladly accept. But they chosed different, so I’d rather get rid of the order or so-called canon. All of us can choose the path we’re satisfied the most. I did imply that Korhal or Glacius first doesn’t matter, yes? I want to add my thought that Korhal is way much much further and travel there with small number of men is kinda risk.
Finally, this may cause you feel awkward, just an opinion. To me, protoss is like one dynasty and I linked my idea from movies and novels (Illiad for example) in which many noble and fierceful warriors. Then I put myself into Artanis’ position and look in history fact:
- The Templars granted the Dark Templars heretics, yet needed them in Brood War.
- Shakuras willingly harboured Khalai people despite the cruel past.
- His not listening to leads to the curruption and killing off Zeratul, who was his mentor, and, a Nerazim, which maybe cause him feel guilty for what his ancestors had done.
With those, Artanis must ensure his people’s safety before doing any thing else. Korhal first is fine, but I don’t like traveling there and return only to find Shakuras may already lie in ruin.
Peace.
Oh and then. You can make Artanis thinking the Keystone is safekept by Raynor, and make way for Shakuras to make his people aboard “in a quick way” also. The possibilities are endless. Just don’t depend on the order so.
Not sure how to work with this. The whole point of discussion is trying to present your idea. Enriching each other and find the best idea. I have no idea how to do that without first assuming that your idea is the best. If you don’t think your idea is the best while I believe mine to be such, then wouldn’t the discussion end prematurely my way?
Yes, yes, we all know that.
Yes, it irritates me greatly as well, but it’s official decree; what can I do about it?
So do I and pretty much everyone here, trust me. We just tell you about the canon order. Perhaps, we forgot to tell you that we also think it’s stupid. Although, both Skehan and I state that yours makes sense.
No, you didn’t. I just re-read your argument and I don’t see any.
Wait, you got a canon map for all concern planets? Please show us, I have been wanting to see that for ages.
Korhal is a friendly territory. Why would it be risky? Are you imply that Artanis know prior to making the decision that Amon is attacking both Korhal and Sharkurus? I’m going to need a citation.
Moreover, if Artanis know that both planets are being attacked, then it support my case even further. The Keystone is vital to defeating Amon. And its location is being under threats.
How so?
Those facts are corrected. I only want add to point out that Artanis is big on reunification of his people long before LotV. Anyway, these facts don’t support your idea, though. Not by itself.
No, not really. The second fact is definitely supporting your point. The first could be, but Artanis is never on the side of racism against the Dark Templar. It’s odd for him to factor this fact info his decision this far into the story. It’s really not in his character by this point. And lastly,
Yes! And Zeratul keeps saying get the damn Keystone. Shouldn’t his next move is, i don’t know, LISTEN to Zeratul and get the Keystone?
What?
You do realize that Sharkurus is very far from Aiur, right? Korhal should be much closer. Where do you get these sense of distance from?
Look, if you’re going to voice your opinion in a public forum, then you must listen to other people talk as well. They will disagree with you. Your opinion will be questioned. Your point will be rebuke. Saying that you’re right and then peace out is kind of rude, don’t you think?
Yeah, but you just claim going there is risky, which implies that it’s kind of not safekeeping by Raynor. So which is it?
Yes, but many of them incoherent. Most contradicting each other as you just demonstrated. And only one is the best.
Saying that you’re right due to infinite possibilities is a very bad argument. For example, I could say Artanis toss a coin and it turn up ‘head’. Use your judgement, pick the best one and prove to us how right you are.
And please don’t just ignore my point. I made quite a few regarding why your idea is bad. It’s pretty annoying when you just overlook them and proceed to tell me how right you are. I read and value all your points; surely, it’s not too much to ask for the same courtesy.
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Since you bring ‘canon’ in makes me feel like I’m forcing you accept my idea while I’m not. Just that. I just explain my gameplay order, if it makes sense to you and some order, then I’ve made my point and that will be all. Done and done.
Yes I did. Simply Korhal and then Glacius.
Then again, storyline left out so many gaps and if you can fill it with your own logic, then good! I used to go to Korhal right after Aiur at first, then as time goes by, my thought changed and I feel Shakuras is urgent. There’s no use arguing without the only truth. Ehh maybe Blizzard do, but even they are to unveil, I won’t feel like following after what they did to the game. Let us experience more and maybe years later, I, you, or someone can sum up with an undeniable idea.
It goes without saying that nobody knows the canon order. He’s clearly just putting forth the order he thinks is most logical and not forcing you to accept anything.
No. The keystone is safe in the hands of an ally as far as he knows, whereas the Khalai were just attacked and there’s a warp gate connecting Shakuras and Aiur. His duty is to his people and he always picks his people first.
The keystone can be retrieved any time, but his people are a precious resource that can’t be replaced. Getting the keystone is FOR his people, so if they die anyway then it’s all for nothing.
I actually laughed out loud.
As far as he knows, the Warpgate is sealed from the Shakuras side. Both he and Vorazun were surprised by its use in the invasion of Shakuras.