HomeStory Cup XXVI

That was genuinely some of the saddest protoss play I’ve seen in a while, and frankly the fact that it took so long for Clem to die is genuinely hilarious to me. 25 minute game, only in the last 3 minutes did Gumiho actually look like he could kill Clem.

The amount of colossus and disruptor donations was wild. No storm, a minimum of 3 probe pulls, still up on econ despite that, 8 colossus dead (donated, I might add, rather than focus fired), super late thermal lance, and yet Clem still kept it even.

The sad part is that this is the level of Protoss play that we commonly see at pro level outside of MaxPax specifically. And it’s part of the reason I can’t help but shake my head every time someone says “but no protoss victors” - yeah because they almost all do that.

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These Clem v Serral games are freaking depressing.

Game 1 = Why on earth was the queen nerf warranted
Game 2… feels like Serral just threw a huge lead.

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Yeah, have to agree there.

Clem’s good but the lead serral had in G2 shouldn’t have slipped away like it did.

Serral really feels like he’s in his own head against Clem ngl.

Also the abyssal reef map, why bring it back.

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Definitely agree on the in his own head thing. He hasn’t dropped a single map against anybody else. He just walked all over Maru

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and the patch made it TvTvTvTvT, great balance.

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That Viper pull on the defensive Tanks was nice.

Only Serral could look annoyed after winning a map

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He spent way to long on roaches. Unbelievably long.

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TvT finals, at least I can safely stop watching and go to bed now

zzzzz

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interesting. lower bracket Final.
game1: Clem has good early game because he killed Queen. Zerg loose to the next pushes.
game2: Serral has good early game. Terran has come back mechanic and zerg loses.
game3: clem just yolo hellion… 8 workers and ahead, aka queen/roach is “good” against hellion… no risk / commit for clem.
game4: timing push.

like i said: bio buff since the last 3 patch. if you don’t have early game you can’t play mid/late game. finally zerg has the weakest ecco in the game.

But Clem plays against T struggle because no range advantage and his speed is slowed down.

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8 rax all in on Amygdala or die trying.

That was basically a guarantee.

true, today you could start later and finish earlier thanks to TvT. :grinning:

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Killed the queen early off a macro 3 reaper opening against a pool first that also did les than nothing. That game was over from the start.

This honestly came down to two things.

Serral took the wrong 4th base, and then stayed on roach ravager ling bane instead of transitioning out of roaches. 15 minutes on roach tech instead of transitioning after his lead after huge damage. This had nothing to do with “come back mechanic”, and everything to do with the roach being a unit that’s almost exclusively a timing-attack unit, or used for super early defense.

Not yolo; Serral opened without ling-speed and had no wall to prevent the helions from diving in and getting the drones since he had no ling speed. And then spend the next 18 minutes on roach tech when he could have transitioned out earlier than he did. Still won though.

8 rax all in was, as I said, basically guaranteed on that map; it’s just generally a garbage map.

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Well it seems the Serral problem has been solved, nerf Queens!

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Tbh that game 1 annoyed me. The queen nerf coupled with the fact clem can put on so much early pressure with a macro opening is awful.

The queen nerf, along with the mothership abduct change is a poster child for ‘balance council, please dont listen to popular balance suggestions on reddit’

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in short: terran has macro build + harass vs pool frist which should be safer against early aggresion.

in short: you can do critical damage as zerg, one decision mistake afterwards and T is back in the game.

funny or… ling get grilled by hellion and roach are too slow. nice once out of position and behind, at default build of T. while zerg gamble when he builds 10+ lings aka commit in attack.

miro are you in balance council? you have the same t-bias taste on you.

but fair, clem can use the buff better than other T players . due to his speed, aggresive style in TvZ. i thought maybe maru can also play early aggrsions and pressure against serral.

I’m sorry I don’t understand what you mean

Pool first is safe against cheese, it’s a BO loss against macro because you’re inherently putting yourself behind if you’re not being super aggressive, which Serral wasn’t.

One? There was multiple mistakes that game, not just one. Not the least of which was staying on roach tech for as long as he did.

He knowingly played a slow-ling roach opening into a helion opening with no wall off to deal with it, and did so multiple games vs Clem across both series, and in both series, he got punished for doing exactly what he did.

If you open slow lings to rush a roach opening, you must have a wall off specifically to prevent exactly what happened, from happening. That’s genuinely an unforgivable mistake.

Oh come off it Hallo.

I’m not going to deny that I have my biases - who doesn’t, after all (though I do my best to temper them, despite what you might think) - but Serral wiped the floor with literally every other player he faced except Clem, who was the only person he dropped maps to.

Where Serral is concerned, he seems to have a real mental block when it comes to Clem, especially recently after EWC. His engagements weren’t as clean, his decision making wasn’t as good, his macro wasn’t as on point. Frankly, he looked like a lesser Zerg compared to the Serral we saw in every other series he played.

Just no.

Both of these I still 100% disagree with. Unabductable mothership is bad for the game (though I understand why they did it, I disagree with it - half distance abduct on the MS specifically would be a fair compromise since you can only make one), but because there aren’t any good protoss pro players it will likely stay in the game. Queen nerf was entirely unnecessary and I hope it gets reverted quickly.

I think he’s saying that Clem’s inherent speed gives him an advantage over other Terran players who simply can’t stress Serral’s multitasking as much (outside of maybe Oliviera)

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Like we were talking about earlier, does make you wonder how INnoVation would do in this meta.

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True. Left hsc earlier because why would i want to wait an hour of tipping an Cherrying only to Look at 1 or 2 series of tvts. Watched plenty of the already.

Zzzzzzzzzz

Clem gumiho and maru are cool and all but i dont need to watch terran dominate every tourny.

Im Just glad they didnt buff terran and Nerf zerg to the Point that maru finally could actually Beat serral and thus giving People the thought that maru could somehow be the goat.