Forgg was faced yet again another hacker online and Activision/former Blizzard still has yet to do a single damn thing about it because of their focus being only at Hearthstone packs, seriously like when is enough, enough? Quit make pathetic excuses for yourselves and fix this game already, Blizzard claims they’ve learned their mistakes from the past and this is how your fixing that mistake? By covering it up even more hoping that you don’t get caught? What a bunch of clowns.
I’m not being hyperbolic here. NA ladder is hacker infested. If you’re GM, NA should be viewed as the server to practice against hackers. If you want to see if your build has any vulnerabilities, play on NA. If you want to improve your skill… play on another server.
Forgg needs to stop trying to noob bash, just to look “better.” If NA didn’t have so many hackers, more people would probably play on it.
That said, I understand that hacking should never be as problematic as it is. In BW, they removed the ladder cause of rampant hacking. Fast forward to now… they kinda need to contemplate removing the NA ladder…
Maplez runs NA ladder. 100% he has hacked. A lot. Is he hacking every game? I can’t say that/know that, but what I do know… is he plays 24/7. He has a million accounts. He has more accounts than any other person in the world. He terrorizes ladder. He uses obnoxious names, if not flat out racist ones, and he tries to make your life hell.
Maplez embodies NA ladder. Until they ban this guy, NA won’t be worth playing on, and it just attracts more people like him. It’s even become a thing for hackers to name themselves after Maplez.
Go to any stream, though, and Maplez is probably a mod. He’s in every chat. No one calls him out. Then we wonder why SC 2 has a problem. It’s the community at large. They turn a blind eye to every actual hacker/bad person and then try to make a mountain out of flat land… It’s absolutely ridiculous and unsustainable.
Atm, Maplez has AT LEAST 4 accounts in GM on NA. He plays ALL DAY. He plays on other servers, too. He had a clan named after himself with all his accounts. He had 13 accounts in it. It’s a number that grows every day. The guys is ladder AIDS. Just keeps multiplying. Anyone who is friends with this guy or even talks to him, is f’ing stupid. Period. A scum bag, to boot.
If you play more games than anyone else in the world, does it sound like you should need to cheat? Just the type of person some people are. Tell me streaming has been a positive, when every person who streams will make this guy a mod simply cause he gives them a twitch prime. Unbelievably pathetic.
Correction… AT LEAST 5 accounts in GM. The guy is literally becoming GM and ensuring every game is vs an obnoxious cheater. Keep celebrating him.
1000% this. SC2 has a serious growing hacker problem, and there’s no one around to stop it. I just glanced at my clan Discord chat and they caught ANOTHER hacker. It’s becoming worse and worse as people realize no one is getting punished for it. Even the big names are getting back to terrorize ladder. It’s horrifying.
I think even aside from hackers, there are some serious in-game cultural aspects that put down NA for no good reason, though most of the pros are from EU/KR, and not really NA.
The shocking thing is that Blizzard just lets people like this destroy the game. Forget balance and Activision for a second. Blizzard itself made some extremely awful decisions regarding SC2. They let people destroy the integrity of the game, and dish out minimal punishments to the worst players in this game’s history. Streamers don’t call it out. Tournament organizers let a case slide. No one with a voice addresses the real underlying issues that led to this game’s downfall, and most people are too dumb to realize it.
AMEN
THIS. Ladder integrity is ruined. By bugs. By hackers. By culture. All of it.
I quit this game for 4 months, recently, if not more. First game back, all I was hoping was to simply not play vs Maplez. Surprise… Maplez. So, I quit again… I think I heard him say in chat once that he had something like 10 accounts in GM atm, if not more.
It’s a d-bag move to take up more than 2 spots to begin with… I’m not even sure if I’ve ever taken 2 before, on the same server. He ends up taking up your entire block list. He creates a new account dang near every day… Then sees how high he can get an account via hacking, then he goes to EVERYONE’S chat to find obnoxious ways to bring up his MMR and gloat to his man heroes. Then you get to hear people like Rotti call him his boy. Non stop endearment…
This game/community is hell. For all the grief these forums get, it’s a far better slice than the “rest of the pie.” Only one even remotely edible, at any time.
I quit in HotS for a couple reasons. 1) Macro Toss vs Zerg was the most broken thing (UP) this game has maybe ever seen and 2, non stop hacking in tournaments.
So, I opened DT every game in HotS P vs P. Everyone knew this. So, I’m playing this guy, Virium, in a WCS qualifier, and it’s either the second or third game. It’s a 4 player map. The guy didn’t even bother to scout for my base. He then opened phoenix and just pooled them in his base. Never got any detection.
Guess what I decided to do? I decided to “surprise him” by opening phoenix, and not going DTs for a first time ever… Most blatant hacking in quite some time…
I asked him about it afterwards about why he didn’t get any detection, and he said “because you do the same build every game.” This is a guy who has qualified for WCS before, mind you.
SC 2 scene cares so little about cheating, that I didn’t even dare mention this to anyone. I just kept it moving. Just another NA tournament. Mind you, at this point… I’m a top 16 GM and could qualify for things, if I could simply stop running into hackers in P vs P. But, that wasn’t going to happen…
No one even pretends to care about hacking unless it involves a big name/“right name.”
Then, later on… you will meet some people who might be streamers who will talk about how they just hate hackers and cheating and yada, yada… then you will come to find out… they’re friends with virium and his buddies, who also hack… And you just look at these people and you see zero redeeming qualities, yet… they refuse to stop following/being friends with… just spit in your face, and then… they have the audacity to attack you for… make believe reasons.
That’s SC 2. It’s not natural for a community to be this bad. I really have to blame streaming. A lot of people “cheated their way to the top,” and they’ve really helped foster a scene that has zero integrity and just exists to f people over, more or less. It’s really pathetic.
The moment I realized SC2 was filled with hackers was when a popular streamer lifted his command center and abandoned the low ground after seeing a few standard lings from a standard hatch first opener. He scouted absolutely nothing that wasn’t 100% standard. I asked him about it and he lied and said he didn’t do that. Then he watched the replay and you could see the panic in his eyes when he realized I was right, then he came up with a BS excuse (“Yeah guys, I am totally a maphacker when I take a 3cc against a baneling opener! LOL!”) and quickly exited the replay and changed the topic. He did the 3cc then saw the baneling nest with the hacks, then panicked and lifted his natural.
Who? I know you said something similar if not exactly that about Berry, but he’s not a popular streamer. He’s simply the biggest viewbotter in SC 2, to my knowledge, but I haven’t seen any indication outside of what you’ve suggested, to believe he is hacking.
He is a scam artist. Make no mistake about it. Berrycrunch is a scam artist. Anyone around him or talking him up… is probably a scam artist, too, with VERY, VERY questionable character, at a minimum. That is being very generous.
People like to just focus on the pros and act like there’s no cons to anything. Scum bags have quickly learned that all it takes in SC 2 to be a “good guy” is to subscribe or donate here and there. It’s a license to do anything you want, while still being portrayed as an awesome person. It has completely perverted SC 2. Everyone has ended up delusional and crazy, in response.
When everything is made backwards… how can you follow along if you’re not dyslexic?
There probably should be threads devoted to Berries scams and his negative impact, but… I’m trying to move on. I don’t want to do others dirty work. I like to pretend he doesn’t exist. That’s the life I want. Just pretend he doesn’t exist nor anyone who is weak enough to talk to him, let alone devote their life to worshiping him… I mean, my god. We all have limits. Well, besides maybe those who talk to him…
Hackers do always lie about things that can easily be proven, though. For instance, I played vs Believe and he made a stargate then canceled it, and then later on he remade the stargate. I asked him about it, and he told me HE NEVER EVEN MADE A STARGATE. It was like a 6 minute game. Come on…
That’s what people do, though, when they can’t logically explain their actions. They just “say something.” Just blurt something out and call it a day.
I think one of the huge downfalls of this community is that there’s some status quo around that makes it so people don’t talk about the real issues of the game. They yap all they want on the Pylon Show or whatever, but there are some serious silent killers of co-op/arcade/teamgames and even non-pro 1v1 that no one ever talks about. And then people wonder why no one wants to play this game in 2020 onward.
Bless you man. As if PvP wasn’t bad enough with all the god-awful cheeses and coinflipping involved in the matchup, if you are dealing with someone that just knows you proxy for example, you don’t stand a chance. It’s sad that this community always has a settling mindset of “if you don’t like it then leave” because that’s exactly what people have done and that’s why this game is dead. For someone like you, it’s just not possible to get up and leave something like WCS because there aren’t many other notable alternatives. There’s just no solution. It’s like the vast majority of the community has just decided to take the blue pill and pretend like none of the chaos exists.
Yep. I remember one instance in particular… Rotti was playing with Pure-L in 2v2. The fact that you even associate with a historical hacker… And then no one cares. Dude terrorizes team game ladder and trash talks people, and he’s allowed to play as much as he did in WCS or whatever. Then gets banned for a year because he was caught hacking, and now he’s back… And probably hacking again.
This community is heavily reliant on “integrity” and that’s exactly what people take advantage of. Because everyone is so focused on the top level pros, no one pays attention to what happens even one step below. If someone is hacking in a minor tournament, no one will know about it, and if someone reports it, no one will care to make a thorough investigation unless it’s 200% obvious.
It’s a shame that many content creators of SC2 have to resort to grabbing money where they can because the game doesn’t get anymore attention. The playerbase has been shriveling from the bottom up. At the top, everything looks fine. Korean pros even join military service and then come back onto the professional scene. At the bottom, it’s all rotten. It started with small things like horrible SC2 arcade design, god-awful team game matching, Heart of the Swarm, and no one stood up for them. Then they went after arcade content creators, added unranked, made the game free to play. This killed the creative aspect of arcade, killed laddering at the lower level due to smurfing, and encouraged pros/streamers to make barcodes and mass smurf on people. It’s all just shriveling from the bottom up. And once it gets to the top, people are going to wonder what happened to this game? And the answer is simple: you didn’t bring attention to the bottom, and now everything is going to come crashing down.
A few weeks ago, I played in a tournament and Rotti was casting my games, and after I won my first game vs my opponent, I was just so curious as to who he was, so I searched him on SC2ladder . com. It turned out it was Hardwell’s smurf. I knew he used to be Purelegacy’s partner, and everyone in the 2’s community was adamant he hacked.
It’s just like, oh golly gee… here we go again. It’s so deflating. At that point, whether the guy is even cheating or not, it just absolutely wrecks your psyche. You don’t even want to play at that point, and you literally can’t. It makes your brain go haywire, cause you just feel like everything is futile. You gotta second guess every move and be like “does it even really matter…” Like is that surprise tactic really a surprise tactic? Is a guy with complete vision really going to lose? Hard to give 100% at that point without being crazy.
Then, you hear how Rotti was bashing you… when he’s just using an slightly different version of my old build, thus he has like a 1 and 10 record against me or something, similar, just due to using such a bad build in comparison. Like really, hating on me? For what?
Ofc, I didn’t say anything. Just another tournament down. GG and being a good boy and acting oblivious.
As for PureLegacy, I don’t play him often these days. The people in the 2’s community are still adamant that he’s abusing every chance he gets, be it hacking or giving his friends free wins or w/e.
To me, singling one out is like… singling out a spider and acting like there aren’t many more. Just an example, at the same tournament… Buster played. He hacks. He even is like hey… what are you going to do about it? He’s right… These guys make a mockery out of everyone. They have a lot of nerve to be against anyone.
Think about some of these builds/concepts and metas going around now that people have made a deal about - a huge deal about. Proxy gateway, fast expand. Disruptor, carrier vs Terran. The 1 gateway, expand meta in P vs P. Mass void rays vs Zerg. Void ray, disruptor vs Zerg. All of these are my builds/styles that I originated. 100%.
There is zero debate. Yet, I don’t even have a single build named after me or anyone will acknowledge, despite even naming one after myself, just to see how the future of that would pan out. It’s truly incredible.
When they think some random dude created 1 of these builds, it’s a huge deal. 100% the guy is a genius. When it comes out I created them all… nothing? You reconcile that. How do you spin that without the scene showing their true colors, and those colors are very ugly and reprehensible.
If this is a court of law… the community is going to prison for being scum bags… There’s no counter argument. There is no justification. It’s truly a black eye. You can’t even cite BM or something, cause… everyone loved Idra for his BM. It’s just non stop double standards and picking winners and losers. And they don’t want to talk about the criteria for picking, cause… it’s embarrassing and shameful w/e it is.
There is this guy who harassed me for years. Viewbots. Buys followers on twitter, yet still only has 100’ish… Accused of calling another streamer the N word, on the reg. Now, I have to live in a world where everyone is supposed to think I’m the harasser… and this other guy is “the nicest guy in the scene.” Have you heard of clown world? This is clown world on steroids.
There is something wrong/defective going on. It’s like the water supply is poisoned with a bacteria that eats brains. You know that brain eating bacteria? Everyone had to have met up at a MLG or something and drank some contaminated water.
It’s like a bad dream. All the normal people have quit. It’s like if you cater to the most deranged people to ever exist… eventually… that’s all that remains, I guess. I don’t know.
I played against Astrea today in a tournament. And, I’m not sure what’s more impressive, how good he is or merely the fact that a human being in a NA tournament wasn’t cheating. Your only real goal in a NA tournament is to simply be able to play a legit player. That’s it. Today was a great day. That’s the bar.
Does Hardwell hack? If he does, he owes me a couple hundred MMR. What a shame if he does. 2v2 is definitely screwed if he does, because it means there’s a ton like him that also ruin games for other people.
Exactly this. I face people who hack in archon. I’ve had people who hacked tell me this particular duo hacks. I’ve heard people in that particular clan hack. Yet they’ve been taking top archon positions at least since 2018 and nothing happens to them. They killed the archon ladder.
He does this 100%. I know this as fact. I know the tactics he’s using to boost his friends’ MMRs.
Exactly this. They brush these issues under the rug all the time.
Not sure about this one. Noobs have been doing it since the dawn of time lol
This one is interesting though
It’s like Edison and Tesla. Just the right person at the right place at the right time taking all the credit. I wish I could tell you things will get better, but I don’t think they will be. I’m even about to jump ship at this point. I’ve cut my games down to just one co-op a day for the daily bonus exp. It’s just not possible to make this game even part time fun unless you have a talent level right below the top players. Best of luck man
Alright, got me. That was a stretch. I have opened void ray since I got SC 2, but… I did get into WoL late. That’s so true, too. I started out in Silver league, and let me tell you… That is a league strat. I never once played a game that wasn’t against pure void rays. It was truly incredible.
That’s part of the meta right now. I’ve done it since 2017. Every game. Every GM Zerg on NA knows this. Just ask Jimrising… I do builds, max copies, and then they become popular due to him… That’s how it goes.
It’s just like how many strikes does it take until someone is out/admits it? What’s he gotta do, carbon copy other people for 15 years straight? Now, goofy lips is making videos about “max tempests build,” which was the only other build I knew of that someone else created in GM… At the least, Cobra has been doing that for years. It’s like… these guys are just so brazen. It makes no sense. The guy is already one of the best players… why do this?
It’s like watching a rich person spend their day pan handling on the streets. It’s like wow… these people really are different. You want/need my shoe laces, too? Christ.
Nah. I used to play tournaments, for years, without a single issue in the world, starting out. GM level (BW). I went from being invited to pro tournaments to people scheming to find ways to avoid playing me. That’s not even a thing, because no one else has the green light to do this to. Only I could instantly message someone and get walked over within 30 seconds of a match being scheduled, when it takes 15 minutes to even ask for a walkover.
That’s not luck. It’s not luck when you make the final 4 of a WCG qualifier and the boys club finds a way to play out the final 4… between two people… It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that there’s things others can do… that you can’t do… and it has nothing to do with luck or things within your control.
It’s every single tournament. It’s an agenda. Maybe someone should ask Harstem and the likes why they’re pretending that Max is still creating builds… I can’t answer it for you, but I can rule out luck.
I haven’t played him enough to say he does. I can’t speak on it one way or the other. There’s definitely a trend of most of the primary team game players who sparingly play 1’s but yet are top GM… tend to hack. That’s how it “adds up.” For instance, crucialnug… another guy they let qualify in the past. Hacks…
You guys remember patchtoss? That was luck that he got found out. I was part of why he was, though… He wanted to be friends with me. However, I thought he hacked. He was highly suspicious. So, I kept telling him… you gotta stream first and “prove you’re legit.” So, he did… and… you know what? Despite still thinking games vs him were very suspect… how could you watch his stream and not be impressed. His mechanics were genuinely really good. He seemed solid, and as if there were no reason he couldn’t get high GM, so why hack?
It’s only through luck/an update to his hack that he was found out. So, this guy lied to me day after day, just to try to become friends or w/e… and even went to the length of streaming himself hacking. This is why we don’t befriend shady people (he didn’t want to tell anyone his prior alias).
As they say, people without things to hide don’t hide… If it weren’t for that update… patchtoss would probably be qualifying for every event and none would be the wiser. It just speaks to how pathological the scene is. Cham probably has 400 plus APM, yet was the most blatant hacker I’ve ever seen and did so for many years in a row.
You gotta ban someone from tournaments. How big is the list of hackers that Blizzard has banned an account for, who they know plays in tournaments? You can tell a lot about a person/organization by who they coddle and discriminate against.
Blizzard do you guys even care about this game i see no one representative from blizzard even contributing to this discussion?
Lack of involvement regarding this issue is very concerning indeed. it is a slap in the face for the community that has been playing this game for the past several years.
Yes, is weird that any random user haven’t come here to say that there’s no hackers, that is 0.001% chance you face one and so on. Looks like they are not even paying those guys, this game is dead for real.