A bit of a venting post from frustration but, geez. It really feels like either Stukov himself is bad, or Stukov players are bad.
Going through the grinding process. When I have any allies that aren’t Stukov, games generally go well. But when I’m paired with a Stukov, the games are either complete struggles to just auto losses. It isn’t just non-prestige Stukovs either. I’ve ran into ones with prestige and they still suck. They range from building nothing to building incorrect units and just throwing games.
Stukov has a dicey learning curve to begin with, so it’s not exactly new. I suppose my one real consolation is this: expect to carry each game, even in situations where the thought doesn’t feel necessary at a glance; you just never know with some people lol.
I was lvl 1 stukov and playing hard on Scythe of Amon. Generally i just spam marines and everything works out. This time i spammed 200 supply of infested 3 times and couldn’t take the shard on the bottom left. It feels really weird.
Even 3 BCs are enough to halt my 200 supply marines wave.
I personally don’t know what is happening ‘cause normally my marines without the buff “25 to 15 mineral” were doing fine but now they can’t even push an objective.
Feels like a 50/50 when I’m paired with them. They’re either fairly good and can help contribute, or are complete trash that can’t be carried. It sucks. Especially during the prestige grind.
More than likelly, this is because of their low movement speed and because it is a huge bio ball, they do a bad concave, where only 13 marines are actually shooting the BC but the remaining 100 are struggling to walk in, not only they are wasting dps but they have limited lifetime.
Also because you are lv 1, you don’t have the upgrade that I believe it poisons the unit they are shooting, which does matter against beefy units.
Do a bit of stutter-stepping if you see this happening, just enough to have some more marines shotting.
I think Stukov is one of the most “unconventional” commanders. People have been used to simply building units from structures or playing hero units in Starcraft before, but for Stukov I think the Psi Emitter and timed-life units throws people off.
The marines can still be controlled, left click and drag a box around em and move them closer. Masses of ground ranged units should never engage a shard at max range or by a-moving. Get as many of them right on top of the shard as possible first.
Heh, I have’t noticed this with Stukov. I actually have rather the opposite experience; with a Stukov ally, i can generally count on at least defense being covered, at which point I can go all-out.
The team up I usually get nervous about is low-level Alarak or Karax, and Raynor of any level. The former tend to just bumble around and not contribute, while Raynor…oh this guy. So many people. Trying to do bc’s. With a crappy macro game. It’s painful.
Okay, now this is more likelly because the player doing Stukov sucks, the diamondback build have faster ramp-up than his bunker infested lol.
He may not have bunkers with mech prestige but after reaching a critical mass, diamondbacks justs eats the attack wave… assuming he’s doing the right build.
Well, tbh, Stukov kinda sucks without masteries, and even more so on early levels when he has no calldown or the weak-version of apokalisk. Your best bet is to go mass barracs, cause everything else is tricky. Bunkers are pointless with only 30 second lifetime infested, and his mech is average at best. Diamondbacks are somewhat decent, but you need lvl 9 for htem to really shine.
So yeah, lower levels or pre-mastery Stukov is, and always was a rather average commander. Masteries were what turned it into one of the best, at least for a while.
Diamondbacks can solo most maps with ease, you must be having some bad luck. Saying that, with this weeks mutation its clear all the new players are returning and wanting to be carried because damn, this couldnt be a worse week for polarity with all the level 1’s queuing for brutation and making me never want to do another mutation again.
Yeah, exactly just that. Gotta remember for every 1 experienced Stukov game you encounter, you’re likely to encounter at least 2 inexperienced Stukov games/players (and that’s true of any commander).
Stukov as a design is “the infested”, and the infested need to be effective in a ball. Said ball doesn’t happen by continuously streamline infested anything into 1 spot. A very distinct marker of a better Stukov is how well they time their calldowns/abilities before 10min mark. This is usually enough time to get their economy up and running for enough time to build said ball.
As a Stukov main I usually carry games, but it’s funny with Karax allies in my recent experience, happened to me exactly what you describe, ppl with army prestige turtling, or ppl with canons and SoA prestige training carriers and doing 0 defense or contributing to th game…
Stukov gets wrecked by Science Vessels - Amon brings about 6 of them and each of them will cast Irradiate several times.
So Stukovs army (even “mech”) gets annihilated by Irradiate, not to mention Siege Tanks, BC Yamato and other stuff Terran Amon has.
I think the gas cost of banshees and liberators is too high even with the P1 stukov.
You are heavily gas starved and if you suffer losses its very hard to rebuild banshees/liberators due to a lack of gas.
TBF, you can find sucky enough players with ANY situation. Even though they’re rare, you still see Zeratul, Abathur, and Tychus players who struggle. For my Tychus ally, every other OTHER time I look around, an Outlaw is leaving a beautiful corpse on the map.
Apocalisk and Aleksander unlock at lv4 and lv10 respectively, so if a Stukov player is below that, than those are notable power spikes that are missing. FWIW, they’ll get to lv4 to unlock Apocalisk before you know it. I personally won’t miss the mastery since I put them all into Aleksander anyways, and it’s still a nice CD to have.
I find stukovs p1 rather good tbh.
Mass diamondbacks, pushing with apokalisk/alexander or if they are not available, just with an infested enemy structure. Its unbelieveable how the enemy is prioritising those small fleshy zdps units over your DBs lol.
In general id say its really the playerbase that probably got lured back by the prestiges and have no clue of coop anymore or just that you get teamed up with other low levels that youre usually not paired with, because of high ascension…?! maybe.