If results aren’t indicative of anything, then I presume nothing means anything?
Truth of the matter is that Terran cannot win with A move like the other races. This is not a balanced game of rock paper scissor. It’s literally a game built off mechanics and terran has the hardest mechanics. Noobs will disagree.
Just for the record. I actually dont. I focused on the avg mmr topic. But He derailed it pretty often by saying only If i Talk about the Activity thingy again He will answer.
Like i Said 10 Times by now: i dont Care about that Point anymore. I dont think we can find any Data to make Something Out of playing time or Activity in any meaningful way for either Side.
We should leave mental gymnastics behind and agree on the only logical Thing Here: terran is Not abnormally Harder than p or z and No, people who have 0 clue about the Game at all arent an indication of terran being hard either. Now we can finally Stop having this dumb discussion.
Dude, you stating that results mean nothing doesn’t magically make it so. You taking the population, splitting them into different MMR brackets then being wondrously surprised that they have similar MMR doesn’t magically change the mean.
Just like my height example. Use that and extrapolate what that data could possibly mean. You draw conclusions out of air like magical fairy dust. Happily jumping from data point to data point to support your initial conclusion (which isn’t goal posting because reasons).
Except your example is plain false 
You would still see that men are on average taller than women.
Now please remain quiet. You had your chance. And messed up.
Like you of all people could keep me quiet lol.
You never had an argument. It was just “look at this thing I found.” Then drew some wild conclusion out of thin air. You’re full of it and you know it.
Honestly, beating you in a debate is the intellectual equivalent of hitting a woman. I’m starting to feel bad about it.
Man. Just give up. No one agrees with you. No one cares.
Kinda ironic after that disaster with that height argument
You mean like Eliwan? Who was literally persuaded (and then subsequently annoyed) within this very thread? The same thread you went about praising him as the paragon of logic?
It wasn’t an argument. It’s me trying to make heads or tails of how you split people up by MMR then used that to prove that Terran isn’t hard… I’m still baffled by the stupidity of that one.
Yeah but that height argument would not show what you want it to show …it would still show that men are taller than women. Which actually would prove my method that i used. Just saying.
Does he agree with you that you can show that terran is the much harder race based on avg mmr?
He agrees that the argument is well thought out and that given an unexplained 3rd phenomena, the most likely explanation for the disparities in MMR is that Terran is more difficult.
No their are not you keep repeating that claim and can´t give us any valid evidence for your claim. Admit your defeat and move on.
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They’re.
And I gave plenty. You denying it doesn’t make it magically not exist.
I don’t understand why you keep going. Wheasypeasy and you are the only ones in this thread who believe what you write here is true. You are making claims without evidence. When the rest of us give you counterarguments, you won’t listen. There are even other Terran players who disagree with you. You have no valid evidence for your claims. This game is well balanced.
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The is well balanced, but it’s not meant to be balanced at all skill levels. Even from the days of David Kim, he acknowledged that Terran wasn’t designed to do well at the lower levels. If I could find that old Showtime quote where he talks about it, would you listen to him? Or would you go on stream and tell him how much smarter you are about the game?
And Fabros. And Eliwan. Neither of whom is Terran.
No one has given a counterargument. It’s taken Sentry literally almost a year to come up with “Terran players are new. Oh, wait, they’re not? Oh, well then Terran players play fewer games. Oh, wait they don’t? Oh, then those games are ‘more casual.’ (source: trust me, bro). BUT! Oh, well if I split them up by MMR, the MMR is the same MMR! GOTCHA!”
We discuss this topic in another thread too. Do you remember that?
It’s not really an argument along the same vein. I’m arguing the results. You’re arguing potential causes.
Terran has the hardest micro, and the most crucial micro. Terran build orders are more strict (in the early game), but then has relatively simple mid game macro. During the mid game, supply block avoidance and spending mechanics are more complicated for Protoss. Zerg has incredibly easy spending mechanics, but very difficult spawning mechanics (injecting).
All of these are causes of difficulty for the 3 races. But as for which is the most difficult, you have to focus on the effects (the only measure of which is the MMR disparity).
llllllllllll >> Your MMR argument is not valid evidence for your claims. Data can be interpreted in different ways. We can´t be sure what this MMR disparity means. Maybee the MMR disparity doesn´t mean anything. We need experts to examine the MMR disparity and draw the conclusion.
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It’s the most likely conclusion. The only other possible explanation is that Terran players are just “somehow” inferior in ways that’s aren’t reflected in the numbers.
This is my issue with players like you. You don’t want to believe it, so you pivot from argument to argument, just like Sentry does into the most subjective feasible explanations:
Like who could argue against this? There zero data, same thing with the claim of 40-50K Terran players “just being casual” even though there’s zero metrics to define what “casual” even means.
hahaha “macro” your a clown buddy - totally braindead
no one agrees with you buddy low IQ boy you might as well be a vegetable
I disagree with this.
You assert this and you have evidence that suggests there is likely to be a problem; but “more difficult” is not the problem that I would analyze it as.
For my part, it’s that the game has very bad Protoss/Zerg tutorials, or rather, the game has bad on-ramping to playing the ladder versions of the other races.
As a consequence, the familiarity of a random average-skill player with how Terran works is likely to be higher and thus they’re more likely to, y’know, pick Terran when they want to play a few ladder games, because they don’t want to get frustrated with not mechanically understanding their race.
And then the actual problem is that Terran bio with Tanks - the most ‘comfortable’, the most ‘iconic’, the most ‘Terran’ strategy - is extremely vulnerable to a lot of basic moves and the in-response micro-based counters to those moves are very difficult to pull off well - Splitting and kiting properly is actually pretty hard - so the difference here is significant.
It’s basically just a weird case of feast-or-famine success; and you know what else works that way? Widow Mine drops. I’ve seen so many players just quit because they lost 10+ workers to Widow Mines they missed - Does that single facet make playing Zerg or Protoss difficult? No, of course not. That would be absurd.
I disagree that Terran is ‘harder’. Its micro is ‘more unforgiving’, which you might say is harder, but I would maintain that Zerg is harder because of how injects work and how essential they are to being well off. The penalty for failure to inject is that you die because one of your race’s biggest selling points is now greatly reduced - in contrast, Terran can make up for a lacking developed composition by having good micro. That’s, in a sense, ‘more forgiving’, does that make sense?
This is a strawman. Don’t do it. Especially after I literally explained why this argument is sound, at your behest? C’mon.
You talk about goalposting - this is just bad faith, which is honestly even worse as far as debate sins go.
As has been explained, at length by not just me, that is not true.
Pot, kettle.
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