Every game is the exact same

Every TvT is against mass viking or more commonly mass BC because it’s very easy to use and has less counterplay than viking massing

Every single TvZ is against either cheese, or broodlord infestor or both

Every TvP is against a protoss player who gets to both hard pressure and also get their third base faster, then against immortal + templar + tempests if mech, if bio then templar + colossus

Why so little variety? It’s not the maps, I veto’d all the maps that are bad for mech, but still every game is the same, SC2 is a fixed game now except for some new strategies but those aren’t winning against broodlords, immortal tempest etc. either

For the past 10 games I’ve had a 50% winrate and every game I won was macro, while every game I lost was against cheese, base trading or mass BC

Hello SpaceOrc,

I see a lot of variety in SC2 games … I’m in Platin League…

But if you win most of the macro games, that is a good sign! :smiley:

You have the chance to improve your ladder placement, just learn how to handle the cheese. I would suggest to watch the Stream from Vibe “From Bronze to Grandmaster” because here you learn also, how to counter cheese Strategies. :slight_smile:

Also you can learn from Vibe how to micro better (Micro is needed with the after Platin/Diamond)

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I completely agree. I’ve been playing this game since WoL (on and off now because I have less time) but I can usually keep my mechanics in a good state. I have placed masters many years ago, and can usually hit diamond with ease. I don’t need to be told to follow the same boring build (wAtCh tHiS vIbE tuTorIaL dUdE) in all 3 matchups to obtain diamond. I do not need help with micro. I’ve been marine splitting and multitasking for years. I have 250 APM and my generalized concerns for this game are a result of my inability to not give up on what drew me to it.

I cannot believe these forums and the opinions of players have manipulated the state of Starcraft to this extent. I was flabbergasted to see everyone in masses saying how badly the stim change was going to affect TvZ.

It didn’t.

I was flabbergasted at how everyone said, “oh you cannot nerf warp to 11 seconds, that would kill the game!”

and they reverted their decision to even try it, and the age old debate on Warp gate tech is forgotten.

The game has lost all semblance of early, mid, and late game and I dont see anything being changed to fix it. All of the perpetual changes leading up to this point were not made under the presumption that the economy would be changed and units would be redundantly added. (the economy change and unit redundancy are 2 generalized criticisms of the game I will not back down from)

Every race has every option at their fingertips and some would say that this is good, but the game was never intended to be 3 races of equal capabilities. It is my opinion that the game has been homogenized. The terran macro style demands constant attention to income and production unlike the other 2. (You dont build 2 rax when you have 300 min, you build 2 rax when you foresee the ability to produce out of them, conceptually) Furthermore, For terran to utilize all of the options at its fingertips, it requires pinpoint accuracy for tech lab swaps, upgrade timings, and scouting all while microing your handful of units that are suppose to, but never deflect queens from creeping. Upshot: There has, and always should be differences that make each race weaker or stronger at different points in time.

I have very generalized problems with the current state of Starcraft 2, and I believe there is not more criticisms because the people that are still playing this game just love the Idea of Starcraft 2, and not the game that they were playing. My point being, the people that are still playing will never stop playing no matter how bad the design becomes.

They romantically fantasize about the skill and “spectator entertainment value” and ignore what made Starcraft great inherently.

I am sorry I am unable to give precise example games to go watch to get my position. I have other commitments in life that have superceded my Starcraft memories. You dont have to agree with my premises, but if you willfully ignore the validity of my conclusion you are being fallacious. There may be someone who can articulate the point better with example games to watch and patch history included, but my conclusion is the same. There is something inherently different about the game which has taken from the soul or constitution of the races.

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Hi,
You’ve contradicted your post title with your first sentence. Also, if it’s variety you’re after you should probably not be vetoing maps because that is in direct conflict with your purported desire. The game is played by two players, maybe try a strategy besides mech for a different experience. Best of luck, Avilo.

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I literally said the gameplay is the same, not the maps, the gameplay is the same on all maps, yet your biases instantly make you pretend I am wrong while you’re not able to debunk what I said

You’re gonna nitpick the title and say the matches are now really different because some games it’s mass BC and some games it’s mass vikings, which is nonsense

You arent doing it right

Really? That’s the best you could come up? lol

EVERY GAME IS THE EXACT SAME is the title, then you launch into either/or statements which is a direct contradiction. This is not ‘nitpicking’. I don’t see how bias plays into this.

If the game play is the same on all maps, why bother to veto maps? If everyone always does the same thing why not preempt them with a counter play?

You’re only complaining about TvX so you probably only play Terran, why not try out the others? Terran probably lends itself most to being able to play the same build/strategy.

Hello Funky,
Even if I don’t see it like you, but i really appreciate that you write your opinion in a such “neutral way”! If everyone would do that, the forum would be really high quality discussion. :smiley:

Because some strategies are better on certain maps…

Great question, why not just counterplay (for example) an early expand by the protoss player while they’re the ones attacking? Oh wait, that’s what the top terran pros have been trying to do for the past 6+ months and not succeeding

Sadly he removed his comment

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