- To encourage more dynamic gameplay in TvP. First, we believe Widow Mines naturally lend themselves to more multiprong tactics and drop play over their Siege Tank counterparts. In addition, because of the increased strain placed on Observer placement, we believe this change will create more openings for Terrans to drop in general.
Ok, guys. Variety of openings is great, but no concern about Protoss which is unfair.
Simple thing:
Terran openings: Proxy rax mass reapers, proxy concussive marauder cancer, proxy mass marines, proxy factory\starport builds, widow mines drop, 4 hellion + marines drop, 4 hellions drop, cloaked banshee, 2 raven harass vs robo builds.
Protoss openings: cannon rush, proxy gate, 4 gate blink, dts, impotent oracle openerā¦
In what delusional world it is treated fair number of openings? Guess what? Lets make Protoss even more defensive and buff SHIELD BATTERY!!! And to even more limit Protoss lets buff wm drop that already forces whole mineral line pull, cause of speed medivac fly into your baseā¦I donāt know what they are smoking out thereā¦but it is something real strong. So as Protoss right now what should I do? Can I open phoenixes? No. Can I open dark shrine? No. I will die from cloaked mines. Can I open blink? No. So I need either robo or stargate so Terran had a chance to kill 8-10 probes while oracle could barely kill 2 scvs??? In what world it is fair???
Balance team is so damn blind again they canāt see every single terran will mass this insivible cancer and multi drop to three bases while your stalkers could barely get half of medivac hp on the timings 4-8 mines could be build from reactorā¦
This was the reason they removed the cloak! To avoid game ending scenarios when ONE single drop could win a game for Terran at 4:40ā¦ No words again so damn dumb and unprofessionalā¦
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As terran i have to open factory every game when the protoss can make whatever he wants
You probably think thats fair right??
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Donāt throw this nonsense please. It is the same as I should build gate before cybercore every gameā¦so stupidā¦We buff Terran every single patch and it is not revelation energy change it is strong and powerful tools.
At this case they have zero concern about 2 bases pushes with cloaked mines, they have zero concern that charge is already nerfed and P has limited option and guess what??? They buff shield battery to compensate!!! Side note : ONE widow mine one shots every single gateway unit and damages nearby unitsā¦
Just think it as not Terran.
Invisible widow mines drop into mass BCs teleport. Even if Protoss reacts on widow mines - it is economy lockout until slow observer will fly to the point, also now you canāt play twilight first into blink or dts because you will die from anything Terran has, either from hellions or cloak banshee or widow mines dropā¦ it is so damn idiotic. With economy looses like this Protoss will lack units cause they are expensive and overnerfed nowā¦
Turle Toss era incoming if they allow this to go liveā¦
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You only play since LOTV? Cause you could open differently in hots champā¦ FYI
CC first, very early marines marauder push
Now stop crying and try to make master with the ez race, there is a guy who is a 6k mmr Toss on EU with 90apm
Make DT, if youre not a pro, its one of the best unit in the game
Mines look like poop compared to DT
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Ez race lol, what is your mmr with Protoss? Wm is much more effective than dts and while wm drop is a part of meta, dts are agressive all in right now cause of stim timing and almost even game early raven builds by terranā¦
This is the issue of all of Terrans they look on the game from one side and donāt see the issues their opponent have to solve and how hard they are compared to the issues terran should solveā¦
If you have no clue Protoss canāt scan to kill widow mines. It requires build time and time to reach, especially after observer speed nerfā¦
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I started to play sc2 with protoss 10 years ago champ
I made diamond in no time and beat master in custom, then I switched to terran and I learned that Toss was easiest the race
Man 10 years ago Protoss and todayās Protoss are completely different races. I know a lot of people have a false meme that Protoss is a move no apm race, but this is false. If you manage to do diamond with Toss years ago Iām sure today you wont be able to do this, because this race is overnerfed and any terran now will stim a click you early on you wont be able to hold most of the tank and banshee pushes.
So before bringing all of your 90 apm stuff just try by yourself and give us your experience how a move 90 apm Protoss is today.
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DTs look like poop compared to banshees
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Yeah Iām a 250 APM bio terran and master on Eu, I donāt think I would make diamond with proton you re right
Wow, Iām diamond on Eu this season just because Iāve played 2 games with crap builds, otherwise I know the smell of masters rank even low oneās, but it doesnāt change anything man. If you are better it is just for a bit, so donāt be arrogantā¦
Wdym? Itās either blink or phoenix.
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Iām not sure who Balance team is listening to, perhaps Terrans from forums:
Manaās reaction:
Blizzard: āHowever, we do view this matchup as favoring Zerg, especially in the late game, as evidenced by the lack of late game PvZ play in recent months.ā
And what do we get to fix that? Extra shield battery,+1 feedback?
???
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Iām a D2 Terran and I switched to Protoss for a bit to see what all the rage is about. I donāt necessarily see much of an APM difference between Terran and Protoss, thought I know it isnāt what you want to hear my Protoss does average lower by a small margin. But putting that aside, I donāt see how a lot of you have issues with mine drops. As Terran I get bane bombed from an overlord and screwed by a nydus just as hard if Iām not paying attention. When I play against a Terran I just keep 2-3 stalkers at the mineral line most vulnerable and hold it easily. I guess it must just be me, but I think a lot of thisā¦ whine over widow mine drops is reallyā¦ unwarranted, but thats me.
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Drilling claws not just make widow mines invisible bro, they speed up burrow speed. So if you put 3 stalkers in you mineral line you will loose all the probes and widow mines will still be there without detection.
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Well I mean I just kill the medivac as it comes in, at this point most Terrans are so predictable they just mine drop without a care in the world. After this patch however, might even be worth doing a phoenix opener on Terrans again since oracles can cast revelation much more often, or open with a safe robo opener. I really like the new oracle changes to be honest, especially after testing it out.
Stopping a mine drop isnāt what everyone hates. Its just that one time where youāre doing blink micro on the other side of the map and you donāt notice the drop. It just kills a lot of workers.
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Isnāt that the same argument Terrans give where if they donāt look at their army for 2 seconds and it blows up to storms or banes? It goes both ways here, these annoyances are what make the games require skill. Sure its annoying to lose a probe line to a mine drop, but its equally as annoying as a Terran to lose my entire bio army because I was busy doing something else.
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Gotta blame Protoss pros for being well conditioned slaves. How often do you see them talking about how the tempest needs to be fixed? How about the mothership? They said for years that they refused to go late game vs Zerg, even if they were macro players at heart, because it was impossible, yet they offer up no ideas.
A Toss pros idea of a suggestion: "I think making the pylon cost 1 mineral less would solve all of my woes. I think that would easily enable me to go from a 0% win rate in late game to at least 50%. "
They spend all day memeing, talking about how unfair Terran has it, and giving credit for builds to random people, and have no concerns over whether theyāre doing builds wrong because theyāre copying a guy that was 15th in line in the ātelephone game.ā
Toss pros are defective. Thereās something seriously wrong with all of them. Even when Toss could win with all-ins, back in the day, it never concerned them even one iota that they had to all-in and they couldnāt just āplay solid.ā Not having the option of simply playing better than the other guy was never of their concern.
I hate everyone that plays this race, minus maybe a couple people. Every proā¦ come on dude. Wtfā¦
Neeb could probably switch back to Terran and be more successful, but heās probably in someoneās chat right now talking about how Toss is too easy and how +1 feedback range is going to have to make him apologize to every Zerg opponent he plays.
Canāt wait for the next ESL pro tour. Watching every pro Toss player signing up, so they can not get first place, thus not even win a penny, but make ample amount for the casters. Good slaves. One day, maybe one can win a cheeseburger and become a professional slave.
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ROFL what were you expecting? Winning the game with just slow marines?
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Sometimes that works, other times the medivac just flies out of your range, drops the mines and somehow you lose 10 probes and a stalker.You need a careful positioning and reaction with the stalkers or the situation could turn bad, specially if you just let your stalkers sit on top of your mineral line, usually you want them to stay near the border of your base to hit the medivac before the dropping.
That, and what Eclipse2095 said, it just takes a few seconds to deploy the entire power of the drop.You miss the first three seconds the med appear on the minimap and you lose a lot.And sometimes you prepare against it, terran delays it, he hits another point of your base and at the moment you move your units that delayed drop appears and kills your probes because there is no way to let 3-4 stalkers being idle babysitting your mineral line while they could be useful at another base.
About the APM, yes, itās about the same, I get a bit more with toss but just because the rapid fire during warp ins.